The Bible Reading Challenge

[Hans_Oddcraft]

but I'm not getting money, I just getting maybe a chance to go to heaven

I'm just using it as an example of giving up one's freedom for something else.

but they wouldn't need God if he came now, would he leave again? if not why not come now and all the nextt generations have him too

He will, but God has to allow humanity to develop in ways we do not understand. Israel wondered why God waited so long to send the Messiah, when He did come we can now see it was amazing timing the Jews never could have seen beforehand.

yea, but somewhere in Leviticus it says that we can in slave people as long as they aren't in the same tribe of Israel

That is because of the culture of the times. It also said that all slaves had to be released every seven years. Slavery isn't always what we think of. Some people in this country are in so much financial bondage in some ways they are worse off than slaves.

how do you know?

The Quran says so.

than why do we do them? do we really need sybolism?

Symbolism as in reminders. Yes. Dwelling on God's goodness is never wrong.

so why don't we all live our lives full of sin, some people take pleasure in, and the repent on our dying breath? not saying we should, but not saying we souldn't

Because for one it would hurt those around us and, second, Jesus said to store up treasure in heaven, thirdly, what if you died suddenly? Would you risk eternal damnation for a inkling of worldly pleasure?

well yea, but they are going the their heaven, in their eyes

But they are deceived. Just because they believe it doesn't make it true. Many Muslims are such because their families would kill them if they weren't.

thats it?. . . tha why do we have rules like the 10 commandments? because I can be a absolute horrible person but believe and confess that Jesus died to save me and I go to heaven, no?

The ten commandments fall under the spirit of Godliness. If we follow God we should be able to keep all of them. You could, but would you like that reputation for eternity? Also, with God's Spirit in you you shouldn't want to do wrong things.

[Elizabeth_Newroad]

Also, with God's Spirit in you you shouldn't want to do wrong things.

Yes, but that doesn’t stop us from doing bad things...

[Creel_Lenslook]

lower than God?

Yes his purpose was supposed to be the angle of light nothing more nothing less

but he let the one thing happen that tore us so far from God he literally had to first make a son, then sacrifice him to himself, it seems a bit narcissist's, no?

Well God created us He is higher than every thing in the hole universe if He wanted He could have just killed everything but He didn’t because He loves all of His creations and He wants us to love Him back wouldn’t you want your creation to love you back?

[Hans_Oddcraft]

Yes, but that doesn’t stop us from doing bad things...

Yes, because of our sinful nature and free will, but we can approach the throne of grace and be forgiven. We should not want to ever sin when Jesus is in us. When we feel the desire to sin it is not of God.

[Jones_Elderview]

All angels are lower than God.

well yea, but that was before the world was created, so he literally had no other purpose but to be lower than God, to rephrase he was created so God wasn't alone, cause if you are the only one, than you are worst and best, no?

Everything. If you read Hans’ posts you will see that...

all I saw where misinterpretations, the airplane thing is clearly wrong because there weren't airplanes back then, and about killing non-Muslims, WE SAY THE SAME we say that you can literally make people slaves who aren't in the same tribe of Israel, not even non-Jewish, just not in your tribe! I say that that is worse!

I'm just using it as an example of giving up one's freedom for something else.

but that something else may not even be a thing, we have no proof of heaven, no?

He will, but God has to allow humanity to develop in ways we do not understand. Israel wondered why God waited so long to send the Messiah, when He did come we can now see it was amazing timing the Jews never could have seen beforehand.

yea, it was a good time, but WHY did that time have to end, I know he had to sacrifice himself, but its not like he will this time, because he already has! so why must he wait, and why must he leave again?!

That is because of the culture of the times

so I could say 'this is because of the culture of the time that the Qur'an was written, they had many wars in those days'

It also said that all slaves had to be released every seven years.

oh, okay, but if they were released every 7 wouldn't it say 'would be released after 7 years' not every 7 because that implies in that time they came back, no?

The Quran says so.

*Qur'an and where? I need an exact quote

Symbolism as in reminders. Yes. Dwelling on God's goodness is never wrong.

I know its not wrong, but is it necessary?

Because for one it would hurt those around us and, second, Jesus said to store up treasure in heaven, thirdly, what if you died suddenly? Would you risk eternal damnation for a inkling of worldly pleasure?

well it wouldn't hurt the people around us if we grew to accept that stuff, I could understand murder and stuff, but not much else

The ten commandments fall under the spirit of Godliness. If we follow God we should be able to keep all of them. You could, but would you like that reputation for eternity? Also, with God's Spirit in you you shouldn't want to do wrong things.

I don't want to do those things, I saying I don't see what is wrong with them, even if there was nothing wrong with them I wouldn't do it, and by saying it is 'fall under the spirit of Godliness' do you mean if we do it we potentially become gods? is that not what godliness is? sorry for not understanding, I want to understand, I just don't, if that makes sense

Yes, but that doesn’t stop us from doing bad things...

yea

Yes his purpose was supposed to be the angle of light nothing more nothing less

but God controls the light, no?

Well God created us He is higher than every thing in the hole universe if He wanted He could have just killed everything but He didn’t because He loves all of His creations and He wants us to love Him back wouldn’t you want your creation to love you back?

. . . he did kill everything, everything but the things on the arc that is. (*whole) and I would want my things to love me back, but if I had the power to make them love me I would, wouldn't you?

Yes, because of our sinful nature and free will, but we can approach the throne of grace and be forgiven

yea

We should not want to ever sin when Jesus is in us

but obviously not, because I am sure you have sinned after you accepted Jesus into your heart, no?

When we feel the desire to sin it is not of God.

yea, I know its not God, but you are saying we wouldn't feel it if we truly had Jesus in us, and we do, but we still sometimes sin, its just part of having free will

[Creel_Lenslook]

. . . he did kill everything, everything but the things on the arc that is. (*whole) and I would want my things to love me back, but if I had the power to make them love me I would, wouldn't you?

No I would not because it would not be true love. They may love me but it would feel empty I would want them to love me willingly

but God controls the light, no?

Yes he does but he is a King therefore He has His messenger like Gabriel and He has His war angle like Michael and He had His light angle until he sined

[Jones_Elderview]

No I would not because it would not be true love. They may love me but it would feel empty I would want them to love me willingly

would you really though? just asking, you can say yes again, but I doubt it right now

Yes he does but he is a King therefore He has His messenger like Gabriel and He has His war angle like Michael and He had His light angle until he sined

but why does he need war angles? he could simply wish his enemy gone and poof, turned to dust, or just simply don't exist, why doesn't he do that with the devil?

[Creel_Lenslook]

would you really though? just asking, you can say yes again, but I doubt it right now

I would I don’t like forcing people to like me so why would I want their false love? I would want them to love me of their own will I would want the best for them even the ones who didn’t love me but I would have to be just in my judgment of them it’s just like being a parent because God is our Father

[Creel_Lenslook]

but why does he need war angles?

Because of Satan

he could simply wish his enemy gone and poof, turned to dust, or just simply don't exist, why doesn't he do that with the devil?

Because he is Gods creation and therefore He punishes him instead of destroying him.

[Jones_Elderview]

I would I don’t like forcing people to like me so why would I want their false love?

what if you could force them to love you but it be true love, like force them to love you, but make it seem that they came up with it all by themselves?

I would want them to love me of their own will I would want the best for them even the ones who didn’t love me but I would have to be just in my judgment of them it’s just like being a parent because God is our Father

oh, okay, I kinda see, but just kinda

Because of Satan

read on

Because he is Gods creation and therefore He punishes him instead of destroying him.

what? so he made him, so instead of just destroying him he punishes him? that doesn't make sense, if I made a robot that is trying to kill me and corrupt everything on earth I would destroy it, not punish it, besides in war he would lose some of His angels, no?

[Dathmaul_Crinklegadget]

what if you could force them to love you but it be true love, like force them to love you, but make it seem that they came up with it all by themselves?

Well that kinda seems like manipulating other people to seem like they loved you on their own but you really did that.

[Jones_Elderview]

Well that kinda seems like manipulating other people to seem like they loved you on their own but you really did that.

well yea, but what's wrong with it if no on knows? in this scenario you are God, not saying you are, but I am trying to get a realistic look at it

[Dathmaul_Crinklegadget]

He would be really sad to know that we haven't truly loved him. It's almost like controlling us.

[Jones_Elderview]

He would be really sad to know that we haven't truly loved him. It's almost like controlling us.

but it is true love, I said that before, it isn't "forced love" but it is forced, its forced true love, you know what I mean? like, I know that they do love me, and I wouldn't force it, I would just make it obvious that I am god and that I am powerful, and then they love me

[Creel_Lenslook]

what if you could force them to love you but it be true love, like force them to love you, but make it seem that they came up with it all by themselves?

It’s still not real love wouldn’t you wander if they would have actually chosen to love you if they had a choice?

what? so he made him, so instead of just destroying him he punishes him? that doesn't make sense, if I made a robot that is trying to kill me and corrupt everything on earth I would destroy it, not punish it, besides in war he would lose some of His angels, no?

No He would not because God controls life and death where as Satan does not. And Satan is not a robot he is a living thing it is morally different

[Hans_Oddcraft]

but that something else may not even be a thing, we have no proof of heaven, no?

I know because I have actually experienced total surrender to God's Will. You have the Bible as evidence. Even if God isn't real the Bible has proven to be the best set of rules a human can possibly live by.

yea, it was a good time, but WHY did that time have to end, I know he had to sacrifice himself, but its not like he will this time, because he already has! so why must he wait, and why must he leave again?!

Jesus started a new era. He couldn't just take over straight away. It was time for the Gospel to spread to the whole world. It was all part of God's timing. We experience time in such a finite manner we can rarely understand outside of it.

so I could say 'this is because of the culture of the time that the Qur'an was written, they had many wars in those days'

First off, the Quran a is horribly askew document that promotes senseless killing and is not a document I believe to be of God in any way or form apart from what they may have stolen from the Bible. The Bible only calls for death for the payment for heinous crimes and when one's own life is direct danger.

oh, okay, but if they were released every 7 wouldn't it say 'would be released after 7 years' not every 7 because that implies in that time they came back, no?

I mean they were released on a certain year that occurred every seven years. If you became a slave one year before that year you were released one year later, if you became a slave six years before that year you would be released after six years. It was part of the 'every seven years' pattern God set up for Israel.

*Qur'an and where? I need an exact quote

In the hadeeth it says

He will say, ‘O Lord, how many should I bring forth?’ He will say, ‘Bring forth from every hundred ninety nine.’” They said: “O Messenger of Allaah, if ninety nine are taken from every hundred of us, what will be left of us?” He said, “My ummah, among the other nations, is like a white hair on a black bull.”

I know its not wrong, but is it necessary?

Not necessary for salvation.

well it wouldn't hurt the people around us if we grew to accept that stuff, I could understand murder and stuff, but not much else

You ignored my other two points. And if sin, why not murder. It all becomes the same in the end.

by saying it is 'fall under the spirit of Godliness' do you mean if we do it we potentially become gods? is that not what godliness is? sorry for not understanding, I want to understand, I just don't, if that makes sense

No, 'fall under the spirit of Godliness' is when we act in the spirit that Jesus would act. When we love God first and our neighbor second.

but obviously not, because I am sure you have sinned after you accepted Jesus into your heart, no?

Absolutely, as long as I am alive I will sin, but I trust God to help me sin less and do His will more.

but you are saying we wouldn't feel it if we truly had Jesus in us, and we do, but we still sometimes sin, its just part of having free will

There are varying levels of Jesus (actually the Holy Spirit) in us, or more accurately, the amount we listen to Him. We can never have a perfect relationship with God on earth due to sin. Jesus died so we could have a perfect relationship with Him in Heaven. We can either accept Jesus as our Savior, but never really do anything about our lives. In this case, we will send no treasure to Heaven to enjoy for eternity. Or we can let the Spirit take total control of our lives and step out in blind, guided faith and do amazing things like Hudson Taylor, giving up his life now because he knew what was to come. Living with abandon, but not reckless abandon.

if I made a robot that is trying to kill me and corrupt everything on earth I would destroy it, not punish it, besides in war he would lose some of His angels, no?

Satan is not a robot. He is the second most powerful being in the universe. God banished Satan upon his rebellion. Satan plagues us in his banishment, but only because we opened the door for him.

[Jones_Elderview]

okay, instead of arguing with you guys I am just going the move on, cause I was just chilling with my family and I felt more secure and I felt happy, so I am just going to drop it, that will make me feel better

to be clear, I am not dropping Christianity, incase you read red that wrong, I am just accepting it

thanks for the help guys!

[Hans_Oddcraft]

I am not dropping Christianity, incase you read red that wrong, I am just accepting it

Blind faith. That's actually a good way forward. Understanding will come. Just make sure you stick with it.

[Jones_Elderview]

Blind faith. That's actually a good way forward. Understanding will come. Just make sure you stick with it.

yea, thanks for the encouragement, I would ask a lot of questions right now, but screw it (sorry if thats a bit harsh to say, I was thinking a bit worse, so trying to keep it as good as possible while still getting the meaning through) I'm just going!

[Hans_Oddcraft]

If you would like to watch something interesting that may answer some questions I would recommend Ray Comfort (Living Waters) on YouTube.