Real World Politics

[Eerie_Coppernight]

Biden’s doctor Kevin O’Connor said he is being treated for four ailments, has quite an extensive medical history, but is “fit to successfully execute the duties of the Presidency.”

All right, I'll cede that point to you.

I also remember Trump claiming he won the election days before any results came out

That was in bad taste.

I agree with you, and right now, it seems like Republicans and conservatives are doing exactly that. Fraud exists, but what's the difference between now and then? 🤷‍♂️

Now we have the Veritas project that has caught numerous cases of ballot harvesting by the Lincoln Project. We also have democrat ballot counters who are refusing to let republicans see the ballots being counted. We have polling places in swing states covering their windows to keep people from seeing what is going on in the back rooms.

[Eerie_Coppernight]

Terribly sorry for the double post, my dear moderators.

I will not, however, do your own research for you.

I hardly expect you to do my research, Monsieur Darkgrate. I'm only giving you sources that I trust not to lie. Everyone is biased, but some people are a little more in touch with reality than others.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

Now we have the Veritas project that has caught numerous cases of ballot harvesting by the Lincoln Project.

The Veritas Project as in the far-right activist group?

Evidence, evidence, evidence.

I hardly expect you to do my research

I appreciate the sources, but over and over, I'm asking for actual articles, studies, etc.- whatever you want- to verify the claims that you're making. Not just people willing to say them.

[Jacoby_Elderfun1]

All right. I know the election has been called with Biden winning and I'd like to add some remarks.

First:

are you guaranteeing that Trump will win?

I can't guarantee, but I am predicting that he will

This still stands until December 14th.

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Second, (this sorta applies to the Trump supporters here, and/but if you already know about this) despite what the media says, there are rumors that the United States Department of Homeland and Security issued a watermark on all ballots. Believe what you want but against the claim of the media, Democrat officials are freaking out about the thought of this being true. How I know is that I have close friends in Arizona and Pennsylvania who have seen this. There is talk that even Minnesota and Virginia could be won back. The Supreme Court is going to issue a recount in the battleground states, if not all states just so things can be put to rest among Republicans as well as Democrats. Now we know why Trump's people were so confident. And we also know now why the reporting officials didn't want Trump's people in to witness voting counts.

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Third, (in reference to my first point) if you don't know what December 14th is, that is the date when the electoral college meets to make the vote official. That is more than a month away from today. While I do think their is cheating involved, the news groups called despite me hoping they wouldn't it and I can't do anything about. Biden won... according to the media.

(Feel free to read all of these even if it doesn't apply to you...)

For those who supported Biden/thought he would do a better job:

Congratulations. You guys got the call and won. Maybe I think it was rigged, but I accept my defeat with the media giving it to you guys.

For those who supported Trump/thought he would do a better job:

It isn't over, my friends. We have a whole month still ahead of us. Keep praying like you've never prayed before. You know in your heart of hearts who actually won. You know deep down that we were victories despite the media's claims. Don't give in to the whispers the devil is telling you that our country is doomed. We've got so much to fight for! We shall win this and we will win this. If you call your self a Trump supporter and have tracked with him through the blood, sweat, and tears in the last 4 years, I'm counting on you guys. Your prayers make a difference. God hears it. He won't let this scandal go unnoticed. Believe, my friends. Believe.

For those who hated both candidates/didn't give a rip about this election:

...You better. Your life depends on it. If you are a Christian, you better be praying that God comes through in the way He wants to be made known no matter what your feelings on the candidate our. I don't care if you hated them and are glad the whole thing is behind you, I only urge you to think about your nation. Think about the men and women who died defending so that you could be free. Think about the suffering the pilgrims and pioneers went through to get us to this point. Think about our flag with it's stars and stripes dangling in the wind high on a flagpole for all to see while you say the pledge of allegiance in reverence. If those thoughts don't move you with some sort of emotion, I honestly don't know what will (except Jesus dying on the cross of course and if that doesn't, you got problems).

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In reference to my second point if will end with another hidden summary...

I KNOW THIS IS TOUGH BUT IF YOU CAN REFRAIN FROM LOOKING AT THIS SUMMARY UNTIL AFTER DECEMBER 14TH, YOU ARE A LEGEND!!!

If Trump overturns this after all things are said and done, I want you to know that the Democrats are going to accuse him of cheating. Don't believe it. You know the truth now. In fact, if this is overturned, you should be thinking that Biden is the cheater now that the vote counts are right. And if you're not thinking that, I'll be very shocked at you.

However, if you are reading this on the 14th and Biden still remains, I'm sorry for everything I said above and I admit that I was defeated in my claims.

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GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[Jacoby_Elderfun1]

Haha. This is from Fox News itself. Pretty encouraging!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_CoiPCSvbs]

[Hans_Oddcraft]

Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

But the presidential election happens in a predictable cycle.

First, the Democratic president wins two terms. Then the Republican president wins two terms. Then the Democrat president wins two terms. Then the Republican president wins two terms. And so on. Therefore, Trump is going to win the election - Republican president, second term. This will happen regardless of what Trump says or does. After Trump has his second term, the Democratic candidate will win in 2024. Then he will have his two terms

I’m just wondering if you have a follow up to this, @Sierepica_Fuzzywalker. I don’t have a problem with what you said. I was prone to agree, but I was wondering what your thoughts are now.

[Jacoby_Elderfun1]

I find it very humorous that in 2016, Hillary supporters were called great Americans by the media for going out and protesting against Trump winning. Now us Republicans say we want to look into the election and we get called a cult group.

Their side plays fair? I think not...

[Hans_Oddcraft]

Also, after years of claiming election fraud the Democrats were very nice to thank Trump for the "most secure elections ever" this year.

[Eerie_Coppernight]

How did they suddenly get so secure?

[Hans_Oddcraft]

Obviously due to Trump's incredible dedication to security and making the elections fair.

[Sierepica_Fuzzywalker]

I really don't have much of a comment yet. If Biden legitimately won, it would be because the people are mad at the government about coronavirus, and probably because Christians stayed home due to the Supreme Court not being in the balance of the election. That would make for a breakage in the cycle.

Basically, the liberals wanted the Federal Government to take control of the coronavirus instead of leaving the matter to the individual state and local governments. I was just reading an article on that.

[https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/pandemic-restrictions-no-logic/617204/]

Before you can dig into how cities and states are handling their coronavirus response, you have to deal with the elephant in the hospital room: Almost all of this would be simpler if the Trump administration and its allies had, at any point since January, behaved responsibly. Early federal financial-aid programs could have been renewed and expanded as the pandemic worsened. Centrally coordinated testing and contact-tracing strategies could have been implemented. Reliable, data-based federal guidelines for what kinds of local restrictions to implement and when could have been developed. The country could have had a national mask mandate. Donald Trump and his congressional allies could have governed instead of spending most of the year urging people to violate emergency orders and “liberate” their states from basic safety protocols.

But that’s not the country Americans live in. Responding to this national disaster has been left to governors, mayors, and city councils, basically since day one. “You’ve got a lot of problems if every state has to develop everything from scratch,” Tara Kirk Sell, a researcher at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told me. “First of all, it’s a lot of wasted time and money.” Instead of centralizing the development of infrastructure and methods to deal with the pandemic, states with significantly different financial resources and political climates have all built their own information environments and have total freedom to interpret their data as they please.

In the worst-case scenarios, that interpretation has privileged politics over the health of the population. Vociferously Trump-allied governors in hard-hit states such as Georgia, Florida, and South Dakota have declined to so much as implement a public mask mandate while local caseloads have soared. Sometimes, they have sparred with municipal leaders trying to do more. In hard-hit El Paso, Texas, for example, a local stay-at-home order was recently overturned by a state court, even as local officials have had to call in refrigerated trucks to serve as makeshift morgues.

While I'm not sure this is what I believe about the situation, it's what other people believe.

While a vaccine is coming, one of the vaccines that has been developed, the Marana vaccine, has Luciferice, a thing that can be used to track you like a RFID chip. It is advised to get the Pfizer vaccine for the virus instead. There is a 3rd vaccine in development from Johnson & Johnson that might be better as well.

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

The vaccine also is supposed to have the some of the same things the flu shot does, being fetal tissues from aborted babies. One more reason I haven't and will never get a flu or corona shot.

Also, it strikes me interesting that it's called Luciferice. Appropriately named IMO 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Hans_Oddcraft]

Thanks for your opinion. I guess if you want to finish the thought after the electoral election you can.

[Sierepica_Fuzzywalker]

I haven't been following the court cases in great detail, Hans. It is possible for Biden to have legitimately won the election, and I do not know whether or not he actually did. That is a matter for the courts to investigate and decide. Eventually they will figure it out, and they we will know, as far as it can be reasonably ascertained at this current point, whether Biden won legitimately.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

I can believe he won. The results of deception need know explanation.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

The level of fraud in any election is so small that it has essentially no effect on the actual results, and 2020 is no different.

[Ariella_Newheart]

Erm, I respectfully disagree. 2020 was very different. The level of fraud in this election is unparalleled, but the media is trying their hardest to make it look like Biden won legitimately.

[Eerie_Coppernight]

Then why were all the errors in favor of Biden? Mathematically, that is very suspicious.

[Jacoby_Elderfun1]

The level of fraud in any election is so small that it has essentially no effect on the actual results, and 2020 is no different.

I also disagree. There were months of planning for operation Hammer and Scorecard to take place.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

The level of fraud in this election is unparalleled

The level of fraud in this election was unparalleled in its coverage, compared to past years.
So if heavy media coverage = inherent, then this makes sense.
If heavy media coverage = not inherent, then yes, the level of fraud would be out of the ordinary. But evidence suggests that it isn't.

Then why were all the errors in favor of Biden?

Because they weren't lol. I would argue blindly that there was probably some fraud in favor of Trump as well. But using your logic, we'd see none of that because the media makes more money on Biden fraud rather than Trump fraud. The media is neither conservative nor liberal. They are capitalist.

There were months of planning for operation Hammer and Scorecard to take place.

Hammer and what now?