I will concede the point about Goku. You are correct. My mistake.
However, nobody has left the forums over this one, Ari. We are all here. And the LGTBQ community has historically demanded “tolerance” which has meant “if you don’t 100% support my right to hurt myself and others, I have a license to hurt you, too.” They are abusers of a sort, in that sense. Not talking about the truth is caving into their demands. We are not called, as believers in Christ, to be doormats for abuse. And is abuse is also against the forum guidelines.
There is a difference between a Christian being honest about their struggles on the forum and receiving acceptance from their fellow believers- which I have seen happen on this forum, twice now, we do that, I do that - and violently “coming out”. The latter is violence against heterosexuality, because you are declaring that no one of the opposite gender is good enough for you, and claiming a right to abuse others of the same gender. Not to mention the demand that everyone else around you support your abuse. I’m not doing this, Ari. I will not support that abuse. I will not silence the truth in fear of what they will do to me or what their reaction is.
Now obviously, there are situations among unbelievers where homosexuality should not be discussed. I don’t go around college harassing everyone who uses pronouns or is of that community. That’s not the key issue there. The Gospel is the issue, in intellectual form. I focus on that because that is the most important thing.
There is a difference between an intellectual discussion of a topic and specifically calling out and shaming people for a particular temptation. The latter is also very wrong and something I will never do. I count many people of LGTBQ community as my friends, and despite the differences we have had, I love them dearly as friends and I see how badly this sin hurts them. I have sat with them and listened to their pain. They wanted me to talk about it with them, actually. It actually meant something to them that I would even talk to them, they were crying, they wanted to hug me, I mean. swallows
Yeah. All of them are welcome here, with me. And after witnessing their pain, I see why God forbids it, Ari. It is not because he wants to be mean and judgmental. It is because he wants to spare his children from pain. It is an act of kindness. It is an act of kindness to help them understand and show them God’s love and grace. It is not violence, uncivil, any of that, to tell the truth. The truth heals. Lies are what hurts.
What is violent, uncivll, and abusive is to stop people from being human, to insult them for unfortunately living in this fallen world and these broken bodies. To make it so they are dishonest and can’t talk about what their wretched body of death is doing to them. It’s not their fault that they are tempted.
There are even some cases (not all, but some) where homosexuality has parental abuse as a source. I have experienced, personally, what it is like to have that part of your life messed with by abuse, and I can tell you that it is very hard to rein in that effect. It helps abuse victims to talk. But wherever it comes from, temptation is not sin. There is a line. And we are called not to judge. I will never judge anyone for this, even if they think it is right.
How can you do this, Ari? Why do you have such a dim view of humanity that you accuse us of incivility and wrongdoing in Law and Order every time we want to have a conversation about something you don’t want us to discuss? It is Satan who accuses. I read this post, and the accusations hurt.
Nobody hurts me like this in Law and Order. Not even close. I would rather read 10 more debates by Levi, Pig, Xonos, and Hans than one more post like this.
This reads like an attempt to make me angry. I did get angry for a few minutes before I realized what was happening. Right now, though, I am not angry typing this post, but rather sad.
If you continue down this path of being unable to accept intellectual discussion and accuse those who do it of evil, wrongly, you will begin to walk down the path that my father eventually took, in a way. The Lord does not condemn the discussion of His Word, and has, in fact, commanded it.
If you persist in accusing us of wrong for following the Lord’s commands, you will suffer for it. The righteousness of Christ covers us, and we stand protected from false accusations.