Members President Debate Topic

[Hans_Oddcraft]

This is the official place to debate your position as a Members President candidate.

[Danyul_Braziervest]

taps mic Testing. Testing. Is this thing on?

All right. My name is Danyul Braziervest and I am a Dec. 2021 Presidential Candidate. I would like to debate why I would make a good president before the election takes place on Dec. 1st.

First of all, I invite Community Moderators to ask questions about how the candidates would improve the forums upon their election. Please help moderate a healthy debate between us.

I think I already made my plans clear here:

NOT Talk ALL YOU WANT V!

I argue that I am the best choice for December's president representing the Aethasians for Aethasia party along with my vice president, @Ethan_Burnkeep, over the other presidential candidates: @caleb_Larkmagnet1 of the Aethasian Guild Party with VP @Ariella_Newheart, @Lilliana_Umbrellascope of the Independent Party with VP @Jessie_Dearsnap, and @Jayhawk_Greencape of the Kid President Party with VP @Micah_Greatdash

I have much more to offer than the other candidates.

I am ready for the challenge of debating what is the best way forward in our community.

_{I hope I set the tone of the debate well. Personally, I think debating is good because it allows members to evaluate the presidential candidates better. I trust us to debate civilly and in a healthy way.}

[Jayhawk_Greencape]

I invite Community Moderators to ask questions about how the candidates would improve the forums upon their election. Please help moderate a healthy debate between us.

I second this opinion.

[Beckendorf_Direscope]

I know Danyul stated his opinion on so called "debates", which is a tricky word.
Would each candidate give their opinion of what forms of debate, if any, are acceptable?

Please use 150 words or less.

@caleb_Larkmagnet1 @Lilliana_Umbrellascope @Jayhawk_Greencape @Danyul_Braziervest

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

I think a debate is a conversation showing each individual's side, asking questions and providing statements.

Debates can be great, and handled civilly, but it's very hard to do so on the internet. Context, body language, and tone is easily misplaced. Which is why it can get so heated and hurtful.

Law and Order got shut down, and that's why. A part of the community couldn't be trusted to handle arguments civilly, which is fair. Many of us are young and emotions happen.

Truthfully, I don't know the effectiveness of this debate. What are we trying to prove? Danyul seems to be trying to prove he's the best. Are we supposed to counter and say we are? I don't know if I'm the best. I may not be. But if I am elected, I am going to do my best in whatever tasks get handed to me.

[Jayhawk_Greencape]

Debates are a way of civilly coming to terms after disagreeing. They give voice to those who want to speak. However, in the wrong hands, that voice can cause dissent, full scale arguments, and hurt that will last.

Debates are not bad though! They can be helpful with letting others know about your point of view and, as I said before, coming to terms peacefully.

Some topics are particularly volatile. Real-life politics, current events, Covid-19, the LGBTQ+ community, and religion are a few of many that are. This does not mean that they should not be talked about, only that they should be debated carefully. On this forum we need to keep in mind that there are younger players and that some topics are not suitable for their age. On the other hand, we have players in college who are older and can handle bigger topics. To find a happy medium keeping the age range of the forums in mind is key.

[caleb_Larkmagnet1]

I don't think any debating is wise or necessary on the Aetherlight Forums.

[Ethan_Burnkeep]

Sorry Caleb, im your friend but I have to disagree on this one. The Bible says not to prove a point but some debate are healthy plus this is only a video game presidential situation not Worldly stuff ( though I do like to Debate on that topic) I'm sliding with Danyul @caleb_Larkmagnet1 @Danyul_Braziervest
@Jayhawk_Greencape
@Lilliana_Umbrellascope
@Beckendorf_Direscope

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

So why should we be arguing cough sorry, debating on a forum meant to solve in game problems?

[Danyul_Braziervest]

Merriam-Webster definition of

Debate: a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something.

Argue:
1 to give reasons for or against something : to say or write things in order to change someone's opinion about what is true, what should be done, etc.
2 to cause (someone) to decide to do or not do something by giving reasons
3 to disagree or fight by using angry words : quarrel

Let's be clear about what we mean by certain words. Especially online.

We have different opinions on what should be done during December. We should debate aka discuss our opinions by arguing (2) why people should choose the best plan of action. If people can clearly see what choice they are making, the forums will democratically move forward in the best direction. If that is with @caleb_Larkmagnet1 Golden Age 2.0, or @Lilliana_Umbrellascope 's peacemaking and Forum etiquette, or @Jayhawk_Greencape 's focus on new young players, so be it.

_{I stated my opinion on debates. It was around 150 words.}

I now want to reply to Lilliana. I think we are trying to prove through words that our ideas are worth implementing. You have good ideas, so do Caleb and Jayhawk. The elections should be more than just a popularity contest, it should be an affirmation of the direction the forums want to go. If you have the best plan of action for the forums, shouldn't members see why you have the best plan? I didn't mean to say I am the best person to be voted for. That was badly worded on my part. I meant, in my opinion, I have the best plan to be voted for. Our plans should be voted on, not who we are. Just wanted to clarify myself.

I'm confused by your last question. Can you clarify yourself? I don't want to reply on a false assumption.

I agreed with the moderators decision to shut down Law and Order, in fact, I applauded them for it months ago. I don't think we need to debate Real World issues, or even religious issues. We all can make our own opinions, and come from different backgrounds, but this forum is not for convincing others that they have the wrong opinion. This is a Christian steampunk gaming forum aimed toward kids.

However, different opinions are inevitable. It's how we treat disagreements that make the difference. Polls are made to chat about things we like and don't like. We disagree on whether Star Wars or Marvel is better! Should we ban the polls topic too? (no)

With elections, we can create a setting where it is appropriate to debate, especially since we are staying within the boundaries of the forums and Aetherlight.

[Ethan_Burnkeep]

I think that shutting down the law and order topic was good for children and debating about rich topics maybe wasn't apropriate, but debating about those things (if there were less children) could be fine.

[Levi_Orangeburst]

@Lilliana_Umbrellascope, I think the debate would be helpful, so we can figure out if you actually have the good of the forums in mind. Hate to say it, and your truly a great person, but I'm not sure I trust an Imperial to be president in our new 'Golden Age'. Which is why I myself, did not run. lol

[Ethan_Burnkeep]

Yeah yuh know, Green, Fog, Imp, kinda sus

#yeahijustsaidthat

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

I am assuming you meant this as my "last question", @Danyul_Braziervest

So why should we be arguing cough sorry, debating on a forum meant to solve in game problems?

I have seen it happen time and time again. I've seen debates happen perfectly civilly, and they can come out in ways that both sides understand the other. But sadly, more often than not feelings get hurt. No one is coming here to get their mind changed, it might begin as a debate but a lack of an open mind can quickly turn anything into an argument, and quick frankly I wish to do neither. I am willing to voice my opinions, but if I feel as any parties, including myself, start to get heated, I won't want to continue. Did that answer your question?

Hate to say it, and your truly a great person, but I'm not sure I trust an Imperial to be president in our new 'Golden Age'

Even though I portray myself as an Imperial, have I used any of this to promote my "fog-loving" views? No, and I don't intend to. This is more about rebels and imperials; it's about helping the forums be its best version.

Being an imperial is a persona. It started a while ago and I haven't felt the need to give it up. Looking past that, you can see what kind of a person I am. I'm a Christian. I'm a broken, sinful, constantly messing up Christian, but I am one nonetheless. I'm just trying my best as a person, trying to help the forums, and messing up along the way. I know a lot of people view me past persona. And really, it hurts a bit that you would say that to me when you are someone I'm generally genuine with.

[Jayhawk_Greencape]

@Lilliana_Umbrellascope: TBH, I think all candidates would be good for a president. I would trust any of you.

@Danyul_Braziervest: I agree that the votes should be based on the plan not the person. Well said.

[Ethan_Burnkeep]

Good speach Lil, I'm not be sarcastic, but that was pretty good

[Jacoby_Elderfun1]

Just to reieterate:

Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

we feel due to some of the conversations held that it could be a risk to younger members.

The banning of topics was set in place due to the heavy discussions of deep subjects. There is one exception, as of now, and that is debating for forum presidential races. This is different since the debate is forum-specific, having to do for the good of the forums itself. As long as you guys keep inside the forum guidelines, you will be fine.

[Levi_Orangeburst]

it hurts a bit that you would say that to me when you are someone I'm generally genuine with.

I am very sorry, I worded that wrong. I didn't mean that I don't trust your real life self, I just meant that I don't know where you stand because of your imperial affiliation. I have no doubt that you care about these people and I know you wouldn't do anything to hurt them.
I apologize, and regret the way I said that. Please forgive me.

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

Of course I forgive you

[Danyul_Braziervest]

Ok, now that we got the go ahead to debate during presidential elections, can we please actually debate our plans now?

I invite anyone not on the ballots to ask questions, with moderators stepping in should they see the need to.

Bring on the questions!!!