Ok, I'll calm down. The Torah was created based off what God can do for us without his love involved since it had been cut off by the fall of man (Adam and eve). it was just all about laws, stricked rules and discipline. He did this to make the people holy because he was holy. people at that time did have a choice Ether to do what he said or face a death penalty or be cut off from Israel. Mainly there was no love in th law, only order. It did encourage people to follow the laws in some cases. Order, ceremonys, a temple where only a priest can enter and they represent the people to God. And also it brought great fear of thier lives being threatened if they disobeyed, but I guess that should not be a problem if they won't do it anyway.
then the New Testament is about Jesus giving out the good news that everyone can now have a personal relationship with God through the belief of him being the son of God and the loving things God wants for us has now declared to the world. Jesus was the exact presentation of Gods love for us. When the day Jesus died on the cross to finished his mission, the vail in the temple broke and we were no longer separated from him. When we believe in Jesus, we also receive the one who sent him. And I know that you know the things that Jesus said to use when he was here, but the things he said in the New Testament out weighs the things that was said in the old. Like this:
Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I like this. Even thou it was written in the law that she was to be stoned, no one was able to make further judgement against her because they have also sinned, and have not been punished. Even Jesus, who was worthy to accusing her of braking the law did not. He did not pick up a stone and threw it at her, he did not put her down, he just walked up to her, asked if there was anyone accusing her further and when she said no, he he won't ether. He that was all holy, pure and able to judege against her, he showed her mercy. Of course it was a women doing adultery, but woulden't that also applie for all sinners in any form? That no matter who it is and what they did, we are not worthy to put people down in any way that is the lord to do when they are dead. God is the only one who can judge us. He will Doo what seems fit to us when we are in judgement.
and who is willing to murder the murderer? Just to have one sin move from from one person to the next. Just to have a murder, to kill the murderers. Tell me honestly. If a murderer was on the execution seat and you are the one to kill him, would you do it? That just sounds like a lot of poeple being killed To illusionarly save other people's lives. If that law was to move on to the other commandments in the bible and treated as
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
the whole world will be dead, blind, toothless, handless, footless, burnt up and scarefull. Where is mercy and forgiveness? Why are we shifting away from God with our own rules?
Not just repercussions, but because they do not want to take the responsibility that comes with it. They want to do one thing, but not the other (if you know what I mean by that) it is a shame when they do that. Oh well, at least they get to grow up in heaven. And I hope those people find God in time.
ok then. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT MURDER DESERVE TO DIE? is that better?
If people were to murder my whole family over night and leave me alive, I will be in sorrow, I will be partly broken, but that does not give me the excuse to hate and want justice. That is not going to help me or them. All I want to do is forgive. Sure, justice, what else will it bring? Revenge, hate, unforgivness, sorrow of loss? Plus, my family will be in heaven. Walking around, suffering no more pain, enjoying being in the presence of God forever and hoping I will make it there too. It is simple saying it off a device, but I am ready for when Christians are going to be hunted down because of our belief, like China. It is against the law to be a Christian there and punishment is prison or even death.
There was a actually a court case about this. There a a criminal being charged of murder. And the family members of the killed man took a stand before the court and was saying all the stuff that you would hear. Like 'you devil' 'I hope you burn in hell' and all that stuff. Then there was one family member. He quietly walked up the stairs, looked derectly at him infront of the court and the criminal looking at him like he did not care and said in a calm voice 'I forgive you'. And the guy that was to be charged, he started to cry infront of everyone. And from that day, he would visit him in prison everyday. Talking to each other and they became great friends, he gave hi life to Christ until it was the prisoners time to get killed.
And how about Jesus when it was the day for him to die? He was betrayed by one of his followers, denied by one of his despises, beaten, whipped and mocked by people that thought of him as a joke, falsely accused by random clams, hated by people that he was willing to save by the will of his dad, had to carry a cross well being in a beaten, cut, brushed, and weak state, nailed to the cross infront of everyone, stabbed in the right side of his rib cage, abandoned by those that were close to him and left to die. I am pretty sure that is something more worse then 'murder'. And What did Jesus say. Was he yelling 'Father, give me justice' Or 'Father, they don't deserve you'. No he said
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
I Don't think the part with his raiment is needed at the moment, but you get the point. He could have said anything at them, cursed them, brake off and do something, but yet he chose to forgive instead. If he is able to forgive everyone that has done this to him, what right do we have to be unforgiving and vengeful (justice) to those that sin against us?
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
The people that are killing Christians and other unbelievers are also unbelievers and was not Saul (who is now called Paul) doing the same thing like that?
And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
God was able to use him. Of course, it may not happen to the people that are doing something like he was today, but God is not willing to give up on them or us easily. so why are we giving up on them? All we can do is pray for them, love them like Jesus did for us. It is a free gift God is giving to us, let us give it out to those that seek for it. God is the one that knows how everything works, he knows what those people need n thier life's. we have to trust in him and believe that he will not abandon us. And if we die, we will be at home forever.