Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

Sierepica_Fuzzywalker 2017-10-23 00:35:17 UTC #577

That doesn't really answer the question, unfortunately. The reason why is this section from the end of Isaiah:

Full context of this passage, which talks about judgments and end times stuff, including the earth being destroyed with fire.

Given the context, it's strongly apparent that verse 24 refers to the lake of fire, and that the lake of fire will be visible somehow from the new heavens and new earth and new Jerusalem. So you will be able to see everyone, regardless of eternal fate, in that future event.

It's also strongly implied in Jesus' tale of the rich man and the poor man that you will be able to talk to people on the other side even in between your death and the second coming of Christ:

Luke 16:19 -20:

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man’s table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham.[g] The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side.[h] 24 He called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 Besides all this, between you and us a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who might want to pass from here to you cannot do so, and no one can cross from there to us.’ 27 He said, ‘Then, father, I beg you to send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—that he may warn them, so that they will not also come into this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; they should listen to them.’ 30 He said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

So I'm pretty sure that what David means by the verse in 2 Samuel you just quoted is that he will join the child again when he dies, but that the child is not coming back from the dead. Regardless of the child's eternal fate, however, it would be possible for David to see him or her again.

Finally, it's possible that this child was not an infant, and also that David might have been able teach him or her about God before they died. And also this was the old testament, which is slightly different. Feel free to correct me though.

Hans_Oddcraft 2017-10-23 01:26:15 UTC #578

But the verse in 2 Samuel dosn’t say “see,” it says “go.”
Also, If you read the rest of the chapter and the one before it, it is quite obvious that the child is an infant, @Miss_S.

Sierepica_Fuzzywalker 2017-10-23 01:53:20 UTC #579

After reading this, I will concede that you are probably right. It still bugs me though and I think I would need some more thought/research. In any event, there is no need for the existence of purgatory.

Context of 1 Samuel 12

Matt_Bonnetfolly1 2017-10-23 19:26:18 UTC #581

Yeah.., Same here. I always love those kinds of arguments but none have been coming up anymore... Makes it kinda boring here on the forums...

James_Ironroad 2017-10-23 21:30:20 UTC #582

Hi!
is this a group or something?

Xonos_Darkgrate1 2017-10-23 21:52:44 UTC #583

@James_Ironroad, hey there! Always great to see a new person here on the forums!

Well, I better answer your question. No, this topic isn't technically a group. Its purpose is to be a space where anyone can come and argue about certain topics within appropriate bounds. And while it isn't a "club" per se... the arguing sides tend to be the same people every now and then.

@Matt_Bonnetfolly1, @Miss_S, @Hanna_Brassheart, @Hans_Oddcraft, @Violet_Applehelp1, and myself often contribute to this topic.

Anyways, welcome! If you'd like to get to know more about the forums a bit, I'd advise you to check out this topic . Have fun!

Matt_Bonnetfolly1 2017-10-23 22:15:03 UTC #584

@James_Ironroad

Yup! The people mentioned in @Xonos_Darkgrate1's post are the more fiery people on board. Don't get in a fight with these people or they'll probably be blowing your head off with bible quotes or some really good argument. Unless you have a good argument yourself. Then maybe you could have some fun with them...

James_Ironroad 2017-10-23 23:18:03 UTC #585

Thanks both of you!

Hanna_Brassheart 2017-10-24 00:00:15 UTC #586

Hey! For anyone wondering about the New World Order and what groups are working to establish it, this podcast is for YOU! It's a great podcast, I highly recommend it.

However, I don't share the same views on Trump as Mrs. Jan does.

Have fun!
[https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/understanding-the-times-on-oneplace-com/id94661257?mt=2&i=1000393807780]

Random anything

Violet_Applehelp1 2017-10-25 08:02:46 UTC #587

Hey there, @James_Ironroad! Yeah, as @Matt_Bonnetfolly1 said, I am one of the more argumentative and fiery users of the Aetherlight Forums. (But Its all in fun!) Welcome aboard me hearty, and enjoy the ride!!!

Random anything

caleb_Larkmagnet1 2017-10-25 16:52:40 UTC #588

You guys don't understand. I wasn't trying to make fun of girls or creep them out or anything.

Gloria_Oldenpinner 2017-10-25 17:35:18 UTC #589

@caleb_Larkmagnet1, we already all forgave you, and we have closed the subject. You need to let it go.

Hanna_Brassheart 2017-10-25 18:19:56 UTC #590

Unfortunately, yes. But, most of the non-Aetherlight relevant topics have been in the get-to-know-each-other genre. A role-play that doesn't involve the Aetherlight is just... spammy. What's the purpose of a non-Aetherlight role-play on the Aetherlight forums? Showing off writing skills? Having yet another "fun" thing to do while we wait for new content?

Xonos_Darkgrate1 2017-10-25 18:57:57 UTC #591

Yes, exactly. They are for having fun, and to pass the time as we wait for the more content and Episodes. And honestly, how is that a bad thing?

Anyways, I have spoken to @Goku_Ironheart about this before (I can't find his post though for some reason, feel free to look for it), and he said that it was permissible to have non-Aetherlight topics. For example, the Star Wars topic. I get what you're saying though, and I completely understand. You, on the other hand, might have misunderstood what I was thinking about when I first proposed the idea of the chess role-play.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the situation here is that you think I'm trying to make an all-new role-play that isn't relevant to Aetherlight. And while you see non-Aetherlight topics as at least tolerable; a non-Aetherlight role-play, in your eyes, isn't. If that's correct, then let me explain what I was really trying to do.

But first, just so you know, I wasn't planning on making a "role-play" role-play. I just called it role-play because that's the closest description I can get to what I had in mind. Now, for the explanation:

Anyways, here's what I had in mind. I, or possibly @Hans_Oddcraft, will create an imaginary land. Or a "mega-chess board" with a view like this:

Anyways, on that mega-board, each participator has a starting point and a small share of land. In order to get more land, he/she must take his armies to battle against the current owner. (The Chess Game itself).

A bit like Risk, except with chess. Participators can team up and agree not to fight. More than two may help each other to form a whole guild or league. And of course... there's betrayal... but I trust that nobody but @Hans_Oddcraft or I would really do anything like that heh, heh...

I'm still working out the rules in order to keep things less spammy and chaotic, but as an endpoint to my argument:
This is a "mini"-role-play. It won't have a particular storyline to it or some complex plot. It's just something to make our chess games have a bigger purpose than just beating everyone on board. (get it, ha!) So yeah, I guess it's more of a glamorization than a role-play. Though I'd put it in the role-play topic as it really wouldn't fit anywhere else.

Do you get it now? Sorry if I caused any trouble or, as my mom likes to put it, heartache for you. I hope that you like this idea better than you did before. I'll answer any other questions you or anybody else has on this.

Xonos Darkgrate

Hanna_Brassheart 2017-10-25 19:05:02 UTC #592

-nods and squints-

That is correct.

Thanks for the explanation!
I did misunderstand you. I think this would be an interesting/fun "glamorization." Well, let's see what you guys come up with
(P.S. I like Risk... but my mom always wins. )

Rachel_Blackruin 2017-10-25 22:24:07 UTC #593

Okay... But this is not your topic. It is fine to ask if you can be in her role-play but why would you say something for her!? I am not really believing this... @James_Ironroad can you help explain why @James_Maxfeather is posting for you?

James_Ironroad 2017-10-26 00:43:44 UTC #594

I was at @James_Maxfeather house and I told him to post:

So, now do you believe him?

James_Ironroad 2017-10-26 00:43:54 UTC #595

Are you really @Violet_Applehelp1!
You haven't seen how much I can argue!

Violet_Applehelp1 2017-10-26 04:59:42 UTC #596

Bring it on!

James_Ironroad 2017-10-26 22:04:12 UTC #597

Oh really?
You want it, OK!
Your name (violet) means Purple in French!!
How do you like me now???
I didn't draw this picture!
(Just letting you know!)