Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

[Miss_N]

I'm fairly certain that storms, like most things, are neutral

I don't think they are either.

This is what I believe as well.

My reasoning...

Because storms didn't exist before the Flood.

Neither did rainbows, the nation of Israel, or even Jesus (in His human form, that is), for that matter; however, does this mean all those things are a result/effect of sin? Not necessarily...
I don't think that things that came after the Flood are automatically results of sin just because they weren't around before the Flood.
Who can say whether or not God would have created rainbows anyway, even if sin had never entered the world? I mean, we know that God loves to create beautiful things for our enjoyment, and rainbows do bring people joy. In a perfect world, everyone would actually realize that God made the rainbow, and could have perfect joy from that. (This is mostly speculation on my part, btw. I don't have concrete proof that God would have created rainbows regardless of the the Fall, it's just something I believe )

In addition, storms are often a destructive force.

Like @Micah_Wellpride said,

The bad things that come as an result of storms though are because of sin.

The destruction, fear, anxiety, pain, death, etc. etc. that come about because of storms are definitely results of sin, but I don't believe that simply because the storms cause those things, that they themselves are a result of sin. I mean, humans surely are a destructive force, but they certainly were not a result of sin. (if anything, sin was a result of humans)

That's just my 2 cents. I don't think it really matters whether or not storms are a result of sin, as long as one obtains one's opinion through logical and biblical sources

[Missy_Vonheart]

Just remember that even though the human race caused the Fall through disobedience to God He turned those circumstances around for good. The Flood was a harsh judgement (deserved btw) for a sinful generation. Through that we got the restart of the human race, rainbows, thunderstorms, and eating meat!
Once Eve and then Adam bit took and ate that forbidden fruit it started the greatest chain of events ever, which eventually resulted in Jesus dying on the cross for our sins and being raised up again, restoring us to Him!
I don’t believe that thunderstorms are necessarily something to look at as awful (I think they’re really cool), however I would agree that they are a byproduct of disobedience to God at some point.
P.s. This does not mean that I believe your house got struck by lightning because you ate your brother’s jelly beans.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

why do you read books by people that you don’t agree with?

To round out your knowledge and challenge your opinions. Iron sharpens iron.

[Beckendorf_Direscope]

It helps me to see where my own views fall short or need to be strengthened.

[Levi_Orangeburst]

It helps me be more open minded and accepting of different views.

[Levi_Orangeburst]

The TV show topic

If you want to keep talking about this,

I would. lol

But, imo these days if your a christian and you say that you don't really mind seeing someone in the lifestyle, your automatically marked as... idk, something. It's like christians say they love them, but they cant accept their lifestyle, but they accept our christian lifestyle a lot of the time... Idk. Just seems like you shouldn't say it is wrong, till you know everything that the bible says about it. and can prove that its wrong.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

Just seems like you shouldn't say it is wrong, till you know everything that the bible says about it. and can prove that its wrong.

So you're saying LGBTQ is ok?

[Levi_Orangeburst]

So you're saying LGBTQ is ok?

I'm saying that until I can prove that it's not, I just don't really care. I'm not LGBTQ, and I dont want to be. But if someone else does... thats their life.

[Pig_Larkcape1]

I think the reasoning behind that is like if someone you love were an alcoholic or demonstrated some other self destructive behavior, then even if they didn't agree with you that aforementioned self-destructive behavior is bad, then you would still try to convince them to stop.

But I don't believe being gay is any more self-destructive than being straight is. It's just a simple fact of what kind of people you are attracted to, no shame in that.

I think Levi said it well. If someone is gay, that's their business. If you think being gay is wrong, that's your business and not anyone else's.

[Lilliana_Umbrellascope]

My philosophy is that you shouldn't treat them any different you would anyone else. We all sin, and we can't judge them, only God knows their heart. All we can do is pray for them and be light for Jesus in our friendship.

The church has been much too hard on them, instantly condemning them to hell or mocking them or being cruel is not the answer. That's only going to give them a hard heart towards God and Christians and that isn't going to get them or us anywhere. We are humans, we can't change anyone's heart, only God can soften it. Shoving Jesus down their throats is not the answer, it's love and God putting a calling and openness in their heart.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

I'm saying that until I can prove that it's not

The Bible does say that the LGBTQ lifestyle is wrong.

If you think being gay is wrong, that's your business and not anyone else's.

Ok, then I think LGBTQ is wrong.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

My philosophy is that you shouldn't treat them any different you would anyone else. We all sin, and we can't judge them, only God knows their heart. All we can do is pray for them and be light for Jesus in our friendship.

The church has been much too hard on them, instantly condemning them to hell or mocking them or being cruel is not the answer. That's only going to give them a hard heart towards God and Christians and that isn't going to get them or us anywhere. We are humans, we can't change anyone's heart, only God can soften it. Shoving Jesus down their throats is not the answer, it's love and God putting a calling and openness in their heart.

I totally agree!

[Pig_Larkcape1]

Ok, then I think LGBTQ is wrong.

cool

that's your business and not anyone else's.

^^^^

[Micah_Wellpride]

Is what u r saying is to not voice your opinion on the subject?

[Pig_Larkcape1]

In short, it doesn't matter who you think the god of the universe dictates you should get romantically involved with.
We all will die. And metaphorically speaking, we all will be judged, by this god or the next or none.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

That did not sound right

[Pig_Larkcape1]

Not a lot of things sound right if you are unwilling to have your mind changed.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

God does not dictate, He let's you choose. Just like you can choose if you believe in the one true God, or some other "god".

We all will die.

That's true.

we all will be judged

That is also true.

But, God designed us to like the opposite gender, not the same gender. Satan was the one that messed up God's perfect world!

[Pig_Larkcape1]

Psalm 139:
16 Your eyes have seen my formless substance;
And in Your book were written
All the days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

From these verses, it could be said that you can choose to put your faith in God but you're not saved by yourself putting faith in god. You are saved if he decides that you will be saved through faith. It's complicated and doesn't make sense if you try to make it make sense.

In a way, predestination and free will both exist under god in a way we can't understand. So it's not as simple as you get to choose between going to heaven or hell. That's just something kids are taught in Sunday school.

Now you can say that God doesn't want you to be gay or you can say God doesn't want you to be straight, but whatever you say won't change what really happens when you die. So I say let people draw their own lines in their lives about Christianity and whether or not they go to heaven is between them and god.

[Christopher_Puddlevest1]

I guess we have to agree to disagree, I don't think that's how God designed everything to be.