Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

[Miss_E3]

What authority does Todd Friel have? He isn't an ordained minister, he's not even a pastor at your church. I' trust Christians from websites that preach the truth & have bible verses to prove their points over a legalitic calvinist on YouTube anyday. It blows my mind that you would just automatically trust Todd Friel ministries because he sells his own books & wears a suit & Tie. He tries to make people think he should have more respect & author then he ought do just because he has a loud aggressive sounding voice.
Do you even in what church denimation he's from? He's a Calvinist & I'm sure he's not a member of your church denimation so why are you listening to him.

[Miss_E3]

Yeah I read it already and I do not agree with what he's saying accepting Jesus Christ into your heart means embracing the gospel message and believing in John 3:16 and repenting of your sins John 3:16 clearly says for God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.
Superbook doesn't say anything about a specific sinner's prayer but they do have words to teach people what they have to do in order to become a Christian and that is they have to repent of their sins and method Jesus Christ is God and believe that he's God's only son and whoever believes in him will receive eternal life. Calvinists like Todd believe that someone just becomes saved by repenting but not accepting the gospel message.

His article also says that you can see the evidence that someone didn't truly get saved after they hit puberty okay first of all teenagers even born again Christian teenagers can sometimes go through periods of rebellion even Christian adults can go through little phases of rebellion but they always turn back to God and repent of their sins having a little teenage rebellious phase does not mean that someone is not truly a Christian.

Neither of you have clearly done the research on what calvinist believes or what Todd believes because he thinks that only certain people have been chosen by God to predestined salvation he doesn't think that the salvation message is for everybody when John 3:16 clearly says otherwise. The phrase accepting Jesus Christ into your heart means embracing the gospel message and receiving the Holy Spirit and having eternal life if we want to get legalistic about the phase accepting Jesus Christ into your heart then we have a problem. And as stated in my previous post Todd would completely think that the Aetherlight ministries is false teaching and he thanks C.S .Lewis is a heretic and a false teacher. Why don't you both do your research and Google the false teachings of the calvinist neither of you come from calvinist churches and I'm sure your parents don't agree with the Calvinists salvation method.

[Miss_E3]

Acts chapter 10 just does me the benefit of clearly pointing out that God said that Christians can eat food that the Jews used to think was unclean you're completely twisting the scriptures for your point instead of what it clearly says and it's saying that the seventh day churches are wrong to say that Christians must not eat pork or unclean food it's fine if people want to have different diets and abstain from certain foods but to say that Christians can't eat those foods because that's what the Bible says is taking Bible verses out of context.

You also can't say that someone is acting like a Pharisee just because they don't agree with false teachings from different church denominations and aren't afraid to use bible verses to stand up against it hans also said he would not fellowship with a girl here who doesn't believe in an eternal hell and I agree I would not fellowship with someone who doesn't believe in an eternal hell does that mean that man hands are acting like Pharisees no it just means that we're standing up to the truths of what the Bible says.

This is the definition of a Pharisee a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

So according to that definition the people that resemble a Pharisee more are the seventh-day Adventist churches that think we have to be strictly keeping the Sabbath and I'm standing from unclean food and they think that they are self-righteous and better than the Christians that gather on the Sunday I saw it on their website it says so themselves so they're being hypocrites. I don't care if you think I'm acting like a Pharisee I think that the Seventh-Day Trish denomination is acting like Pharisees. Let's agree to disagree.

[Miss_E3]

This is the superbook Salvation poem & I'm sorry but this is the simplicity of the gospel message, if anyone like Todd Friel wants to add to it with his legalism thats a problem. Does every child or person who sings this song truly have salvation and is born again no because you have to mean it in your heart and yes I'm going to use the word heart or your soul we're not going to be legalistic about the words here you have to accept Jesus in your heart and you have to embrace the gospel message and mean it, you can't just sing the song and not truly mean it l, you have to let the Holy Spirit go in your heart but if we're going to be legalistic here and say this is not the gospel message then I would call you a false teacher.

"for all have sinned and fall
short of the glory of God"
Romans 3:23

Jesus, You died upon a cross

And rose again to save the lost
Forgive me now of all my sin
Come be my Savior, Lord, and Friend
Change my life and make it new
And help me, Lord, to live for You
Change my life and make it new
And help me, Lord, to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You...
Jesus, You died upon a cross
And rose again to save the lost
Forgive me now of all my sin
Come be my Savior, Lord, and Friend
Change my life and make it new
And help me, Lord, to live for You
Change my life and make it new
And help me, Lord, to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You
to live for You..
Change my life and make it new
Help me Lord, to live for You
Change my life and make it new
Want to make it new
And help me, Lord, to live...
to live for You

Let the Lord's Name Be Glorified, Amen

[Miss_E3]

Can you please post my posts about Todd Friel or at least some of them. I think it's important that people on here are at least aware he thinks c.s. Lewis is a false teacher & he's a Calvinist before they take sides & stand for him & just automatically believe everything Todd says just because he has an annoying aggressive voice.
I understand if you're scared it might start an argument or something but I think it's important that people share their opinions about this so people aren't here can be aware and learn how to do your research before using resources to back up your opinions I used superbook to back my opinion because I don't research to know what they believe and what they teach in their shows but it doesn't look like Mr aaf did any research about the wretch administries before using that as a resource because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't support him saying that CS Lewis is a false teacher and he also would say that Aetherlightlight ministries is not a Christian community as well. I'm not trying to start a fight I am honestly just trying to share the information that I have found and why I believe that people should be careful listening to the Wretched' ministries.
& I'm also really curious about what @Mr_E3 who is a pastor has to say about the " wretched" ministries. I'd be happy if other Christians on here also do their background research on Todd Friel & also see what others are saying about his teachings. When I'm listening to somebody on YouTube I always do my research and make sure that what he is saying is true and I also Google and see what other Christians are saying for the reasoning to think they might be a false teacher sometimes they might not be a false teacher but sometimes Christians have really good points to point out as to why you should be careful listening to them I don't agree with everyone's opinion but when they have bible verses to back up their opinions and I know that they're preaching the truth then I choose my side and whether I will continue listening to that preacher or not after I made my researching the choice I realized that The wretched ministries is not something that I want to support or listen to and seek guidance from.
He thinks Evangelicals aren't Christians & there's more things I found.

Anyways this is the last debate that I have decided to share on the aetheright ministries my sibling is coming to visit and I will not be on here for 2 weeks and if likely not again I will say that I have learned some things with the people in this community and also learned how to properly do my research and debate and learn that it's okay to not agree with everything other Christians believe and how to defend my faith and what I believe thank you and have a great summer vacation.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

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[Hans_Oddcraft]

Jesus, You died upon a cross

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While the song does address Jesus' actions and repentance it doesn't address penal atonement which is a very important part of understanding Salvation.

[Miss_E3]

I am definitely not malnourished with my relationship with God, I may be malnourished with Christian fellowship but that is also churches fault for not caring about people with disabilities or having understanding for then. Many families that have children with disabilities like autism or ADHD are often rejected by Church communities are told that they're a nuance and a distraction to the rest of the people many people with disabilities have faced a lot of rejection hurt bullying and mistreatment from Christian churches so I'm not going to go to any church.

I read my Bible every day and in fact I've just read through the whole entire old testament in one month because I do want to grow in the Lord and I listen to Christian ministries basically every day you know who I think is malnourished is the people that go to Sunday at church once a week and they only read their Bible on the Sunday and they listen to the sermon and then they go home and for the rest of the week they don't read their Bible or pick it up once and they don't pray to Jesus Christ and their heart every day they just go about their day today. I think reading your Holy Bible every day would have much more of a benefit letting the Lord Jesus Christ be your spiritual teacher and your guider than going to church once a week on Sunday to listen to a pastor's second hand opinion of the Holy scriptures and I'm sorry but if I was listening to a false teacher like Todd Friel on wretched in person I'd still walk away from him he's a Calvinist, am I a Calvinist who thinks c.s. Lewis is a false teacher like Todd does? No so why would I give him the time of day whether he was in person or not.
Also for my judgment on these cases I know that I am right because all the other Christian denominations I have intended in my life also make that stance I believe in the Rapture the Trinity and that the Antichrist has not yet come and for a church to tell me otherwise is wrong and I don't care what they say I would walk away and you know what I did tell those people in person and I did tell them they were wrong in person so whether I was in person or not I stand with my convictions when the Holy Bible scriptures back it up.

[Miss_E3]

Sftdp but maybe you don't quite understand what autism is autistic people can be extremely good with technology and writing online while our people skills are way behind I don't have the ability to leave the city on my own first of all I rely on government aid for my apartment housing and food even finding a job is difficult I'm practically nonverbal in real life artistic people can write like a maniac sometimes better than others but our speech abilities are way worse than that and our people abilities are much worse I have difficulty looking people in the eye and reading facial expressions that makes me very limited to what I can do independently or not. I also don't have the help of others to do those kind of things and as I said I did email a Christian church and told them I had autism and I wanted to go to their church but I wasn't comfortable going alone and asked if someone from their Church could meet me alone first and then when I feel comfortable to go to their church with them because I'm not used to just going to a church full of a bunch of people and I got no reply and you know why because many Christian churches today are a bunch of hypocrites and they think that people with disabilities and autism don't belong in their Church

I don't like the dragons but this photo really explains the kind of autism I have.

[Sierepica_Fuzzywalker]

I emailed a Christian Church that I thought looks good asking them about their church and saying that I would like to attend their Church but that I was autistic and it was intimidating to go alone and they never replied so I figured that was a sign from God that he doesn't want me to go to that church obviously cuz they did not reply to my email.

I don’t think it’s a sign from God. I think they just might be busy or not taking you seriously, which is disappointing.

What do you need to “not go alone”? What, if anything, would reduce the fear factor in visiting? If someone is reading your email, what can they do to help you?

I like shaved ice. Do you have Pina Colada flavor?

Absolutely. passes over Pina Colada shaved ice

I think this less Pharisaical behavior in the traditional sense (my opinion is superior to your opinion and I thus look down on you) but rather “my external source/authority is more valid than your opinion”. Which it may well be - we’re not pastors or biblical scholars. In short, we need sources to back up our arguments. It’s a bias toward external sources as opposed to considering internal and external ones equally, is what I’m seeing.

I do like the external sources because it inspires us to think more and push more thorough analysis. In some cases, however, we are the best source - Micah and Noah are the best source for what is going on in their church, because they actually go there.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

I am definitely not malnourished with my relationship with God, I may be malnourished with Christian fellowship

And I was specifically referring to just that.

So you're saying that even though Christian fellowship is important God has exempted you from it because you have a disability?

Also for my judgment on these cases I know that I am right because all the other Christian denominations I have intended in my life also make that stance I believe in the Rapture the Trinity and that the Antichrist has not yet come and for a church to tell me otherwise is wrong and I don't care what they say I would walk away and you know what I did tell those people in person and I did tell them they were wrong in person so whether I was in person or not I stand with my convictions when the Holy Bible scriptures back it up.

I am not defending the churches you have visited. I am defending God's ability to provide for His children what He has asked of them.

I think reading your Holy Bible every day would have much more of a benefit letting the Lord Jesus Christ be your spiritual teacher and your guider than going to church once a week on Sunday to listen to a pastor's second hand opinion of the Holy scriptures

It is supplementary. We need a second opinion, otherwise our Bible reading can actually become fruitless. We will have a stronger personal walk with God if we are taught in our walk by others and have them watch our blind spots.

[Miss_E3]

Like my dream vacation when I get married is to go to the world's largest touring bouncy castle. Does that make me not a Christian? No, a big boui castle is an autistic adults dream come true.
The point is I'm not going to go to a church and have to deal with their members not treating me like an autistic Christian but trying to make me understand things and act mature in ways that do not fit my personality and abilities or interests you can't take the autism out of a person whether they are a Christian or not and some Churches unfortunately try to do so.

[Miss_E3]

That may be true but it's still a good song & I believe it still could lead someone to become born again. I don't think the song is enough for someone to know and understand the gospel but that's why their show does that and they have a gospel message video that does clearly explain the gospel a lot more in depth than a song could.

Can you add this**

Also I'm sure a child can't understand the word penal atonement, I don't even know what the word means but just because a child can understand the word penal atonement doesn't mean he can't Accept the gospel & believe John 3:16 & receive the Holy Spirit & become born again. If that child truly did receive the holy spirit in his heart and believe in The Gospel then it would show and as he matures he would grow into the understanding of what his salvation means and how God wants him to live if the child did not truly understand what it meant when he said he got saved then you would see it in his behavior there would be no fruit but there's a Bible verse that says even a child is known by his actions.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

I would point out that John 3:16 was spoken before Jesus' death and so certain aspects of the Sacrifice are not explained in it.
Penal Atonement is actually very easy for even a young child to understand due to the courtroom analogy. I'd be willing to question a person's Salvation if they denied the Penal Atonement doctrine because without it we cannot fully comprehend Jesus' purpose in relation to us. The Emergent church teaches a worth based sacrifice, some people teach a ransom based sacrifice, and still others teach the sacrifice as a necessary choice by God, even painting God as an abusive Parent. All of these give Salvation a very wrong perspective.

[Miss_E3]

I agree with what you said but as I said I already reached out through a church through email asking if I could meet with members of their Church and get to know a few people from the church before going to a huge congregation and I got no reply and it was a big email so I'm tired. And I pray to God and I'm praying for God to find me a Christian church but so far he hasn't answered my prayer maybe that's because I'm not doing my part but I told God that I wanted him to find me a church and he hasn't done so. As you said yourself there is also three tiers to how you would fellowship with Christian and unfortunately for the churches I have visited here they were second tier or three tier and I did not feel comfortable continuing to be part of their Church. And I do agree that reading the Holy Bible on your own could cause some blind spots but at the same time I'm not completely reading and interpreting it all on my own I use resources online they may not be real people in person but they are other people's second opinions like gotquestions.org or other Christian resources I use. I'm also subscribed to a monthly postal Bible study for young adults/ or new believers called PBS postal Bible studies. I study the Bible with them and I answered their questions and I send it back to them and another Christian the one who receives my work and corrects it rights replies or answers if he sees that I'm believing something incorrectly with the doctrine that I am learning in their course curriculum it's free too so if anybody's interesting you can check out PBS it's awesome! Well I really agree that it does not replace in person fellowship it is better than nothing God knows that I am struggling with finding a church and lots of people today are sick and not able to go to church whether that is a physical disability or not eventually I will probably find a way to go to church and find a church but I know that God is not going to say that I'm not a real Christian just because I haven't found one.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

maybe that's because I'm not doing my part but I told God that I wanted him to find me a church and he hasn't done so.

Sometimes God asks us to go outside our comfort zone. It is easy to pray, it is hard to act. Maybe instead of praying for a church to be thrown at you, pray that God would let you know what He wants you to do.
In addition, I would ask you to stop criticizing other people's churches until you actually find one. That is what some people call hypocrisy regardless of what you call it. It may come across as a bad witness. Sometime it is better to keep ones' mouth shut rather than risk being one.

[Miss_E3]

Okay well the word penal atonement is not in the Bible so you have to explain that because never in my life at any non-denominational church Baptist Church or my childhood Church did we ever heal the word penal atonement so I don't think that understanding that word has to do with someone's salvation.

[Miss_E3]

I've never heard the word penal atonement in all my years of tending any Christian church so you can expect everyone to know what that means and judge if they're not a Christian just because they don't know what the word penal atonement means.

I just looked it up on godquestion.org and this is what it said.
"In the simplest possible terms, the biblical doctrine of penal substitution holds that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross takes the place of the punishment we ought to suffer for our sins. As a result, God’s justice is satisfied, and those who accept Christ can be forgiven and reconciled to God."

I agree with it and if you take the time to watch the superbook want to know God gospel Ministry video that is 3 minute long then you will see that they also believe that so we can't judge that they don't teach that from a song The Gospel message video and their Bible episodes do portray that they believe that Jesus Christs sacrifice took the place for our sin.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

That is an accurate description. I wasn't saying that Superbook doesn't believe it. I am saying that we need to be careful what we call a "full Gospel message." Knowing the words Penal Atonement is not necessary for Salvation, but knowing the idea of it is. Here are some examples of alternate views of Jesus' Sacrifice.

Correct: Jesus died in the place of us so as to appease God's wrath against us.

Incorrect: Jesus died to pay a ransom to the devil.

Incorrect: Jesus died because God had to choose between saving man and Jesus, both of whom had rights to live.

Incorrect: Jesus died because we were worthy of Salvation.

Incorrect: God the Father forced Jesus to die.

[Miss_E3]

Gotquestions.org also say this & it is also what I was taught from the churches I've attended & I do believe that is what the Superbook ministry Gospel video is saying, & it is what I believe, but nobody ever used the words specifically "penal atonement" you have to remember that not everybody has the same vocabulary even though they're still explaining the same gospel message as you it could be because of a different language or maybe some people don't have a high level of vocabulary like that to

Have you watched their video? Can you please watch the video & share your opinion, because I personally believe they are Cleary explaining the gospel.
Also will point out that yes I do agree with your previous post on incorrect theories and I guess you were right that I shouldn't have said that just the Salvation poem from superbook is the complete gospel but Jesus did die upon the cross and rose again to save the lost and we do need him to forgive our sins and to be our savior Lord and friend.

"Penal Substitution Theory: This theory sees the atonement of Christ as being a vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied the demands of God’s justice upon sin. With His sacrifice, Christ paid the penalty of man’s sin, bringing forgiveness, imputing righteousness, and reconciling man to God. Those who hold this view believe that every aspect of man—his mind, will, and emotions—have been corrupted by sin and that man is totally depraved and spiritually dead. This view holds that Christ’s death paid the penalty for sin and that through faith man can accept Christ’s substitution as payment for sin. This view of the atonement aligns most accurately with Scripture in its view of sin, the nature of man, and the results of the death of Christ on the cross."

(.https://superbookacademy.com/want-to-know-god/)