Law and Order! Or a good place for a friendly argument

[Eerie_Coppernight]

@Julie_Martin's question was never properly answered.

Why can't women be ordained pastors?

[Hans_Oddcraft]

@Miss_K and Paul already did:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet." 1 Timothy 2:12

You guys have been arguing over the second part of the verse when the first part answers everyone's questions.

[Eerie_Coppernight]

Thank you for putting it so bluntly, Hans.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

Why can't women be ordained pastors?

Because the Bible arguably says so. Simple as that.
I mean, it can be contested; so I think the debate would be better focused on that.

You guys have been arguing over the second part of the verse when the first part answers everyone's questions.

[YouTube title:]
@Hans_Oddcraft DESTROYS THEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT USING FACTS

[Julie_Martin]

[YouTube title:]@Hans_Oddcraft DESTROYS THEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT USING FACTS

Wow. Nice job.

Or maybe this:

HANS DEFEATS ALL ARGUMENTS WITH THIS ONE TRICK -not clickbait I swear-

[Kitty_Ironcraft]

You Know you are an Aetherlighter When

Lucky in the real world just means that you are fortunate.

You Know you are an Aetherlighter When

Interestingly enough, “lucky” is actually kind of a taboo word in my household since it has to do with, well, luck lol. We just don’t like saying it ourselves since we believe luck signifes having good things by chance rather than from God, if that makes sense, so we tend to avoid it and instead say things like “blessed.”

You Know you are an Aetherlighter When

My idea is that God has blessed us with luck.

You Know you are an Aetherlighter When

..... so you beliece there is a force that God created that is so random that He can't control it??? Sorry, that just doesn't make sense to me.

Well...I believe that God can control everything. He just doesn't. Like free will for example, God gives us free will because he loves us and because he wants us to choose to love him, because that's real love. He certainly could interfere with our free will, but he never would.

Maybe free will wasn't a perfect example...here's a quote from Albert Einstein: "I, in any case, am convinced He does not play dice with the universe." I think that there is some truth in that. If I were God, I certainly wouldn't want to know everything before it happens--that would be very tedious, knowing the future. That being said, God does know the future so...

Alright, here's my final argument: God blesses all of us with certain skills. Some are stronger, some are faster, some know the heart of God more, some are blessed with luck...the list goes on and on. Those gifts are not out of God's control, just look at Samson. God has the ability to affect luck as well (read 1 Samuel 9-10). But, if God is not interfering with the dice or the lots or the cards or the circumstances, then I believe our God-given luck can change the outcomes of events more towards our favor. I believe Jacob (Israel) was a very lucky man (Genesis 30:31-39). Laban promised Israel all of the lambs with blemish, but then he took the blemished lambs away so Israel couldn't get any! But all of the white sheep began giving birth to streaked, speckled, and spotted lambs. I'd call that lucky. Perhaps that was merely God interfering specifically for Israel, but...

I also consider myself a lucky person. Just ask my brothers, they know. The first time I played poker I got a Royal Flush (best hand possible). Whenever I roll dice for a board game, I always seem to get 5's and 6's. I don't see any need for God to interfere with something as trivial as a board game or a card game, so I feel that he has blessed us all with some randomness, some more than others. On the other hand, maybe the blessing of luck is a promise by God to interfere with the events in this world to tilt them in our favor.

Those are my theories, anyways.

[Snoelle_Fitzshine]

Okay, I agree with SOME of that, but you didn't really answer my question.
You don't believe that God is taking control of everything? If God is not controlling "luck" (assuming that luck exists, though I don't believe it does) then, who is controlling it? The only other option would be Satan, or else luck controls itself. If luck controls itself, than it would be just as powerful as God. Do you believe that?

[Kitty_Ironcraft]

Hmm...that's interesting. Could luck control itself? That doesn't sound right...it kind of makes luck into an entity instead of an attribute. So, assuming luck exists, it is probably either enacted by God or by our own individual spirits (although I'm sure Satan can alter the outcome of random events as well). I don't believe luck is anything but a spiritual attribute, and it is definitely under God's control.

[Snoelle_Fitzshine]

Okay! Yeh, that's bacically where I'm at.
I see what people call luck as bacically random acts of kindness sent by God.

[Kitty_Ironcraft]

I pretty much agree with you, but I would add that some people are luckier that others. (Not because God loves them less but because he has gifted them in other areas of life.)

[Snoelle_Fitzshine]

True...
In that case, maybe luck isn't random...
But I don't want to go into that, that just is confuzzeling.

[Xonos_Darkgrate1]

You don't believe that God is taking control of everything? If God is not controlling "luck" (assuming that luck exists, though I don't believe it does) then, who is controlling it? The

No one controls luck. That's why it's luck.

Anyway, @Snoelle_Fitzshine, @Kitty_Ironcraft, maybe we're diving too deep into the conversation here. At least, the wrong side of it. Frankly, I can't say who's wrong or right because 70% of what you guys were saying were just assumptions.

Luck, in my opinion, may exist. Not as some sort of algorithm created by God or something unrelated by God; but I think what we call 'luck' is simply unlikely odds. A dice landing on six, six times in a row may not be the work of God, or Satan, or whatever you call fate. It lands on six, six times because it can.

God's grace exists, but I think it's really important in this particular conversation to simply give each thing it's due. I don't know if I'm winning a video game out of skill, odds, or because God thought it might be nice to help me hash through a boss level that day. It really doesn't matter.

The fact that unlikely odds play out at, you guessed it, unlikely times does not cancel out God's grace, and it never will.

[Awesome_Lensfun1]

Well...I believe that God can control everything

I don't think so. I suppose that because GOD is so perfect, there is an exact way that GOD and everything to do with it works, but in sense, if you could say, GOD couldn't control us because that would be selfish or evil and in doing so contradict who GOD is.

And may i ask, why are you all still debating this concept?

Also, I've had a theory for a while that sorta makes sense why luck is actually a thing.
So lets get to the point: there are infinite number of different events through time, and when GOD has finished his plan, all those infinite number of different events will merge into one, the ending of his plan.
And so, because there are an infinite number of different events, we can assume that we as this event can be any one of them. So there is actually a chance that we can do what we do. But I also think there are restrictions to this infinite number of possibilities. Because there are things that are evil and things that could just destroy the universe, GOD has to limit these things. But in saying so, if you subtract infinite from infinite, you still get infinite. So everything is still the same, but GOD does still control the things that can't happen example: A black hole appearing out of now where sucking everything in it into a void of oblivion.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

But in saying so, if you subtract infinite from infinite, you still get infinite.

Sorry to pick on your science, but that is incorrect. Subtracting anything by itself will always result in zero.

[Awesome_Lensfun1]

not infinity, infinity isn't a rational number, so therefore you could say its any number, or infinity

[Hans_Oddcraft]

How could infinity be any number since all numbers are finite. When anything is subtracted from itself it equals zero. One thing cannot be two things at the same time in normal physics.

[Awesome_Lensfun1]

but infinite is every number

[Hans_Oddcraft]

No, infinity is a term used to represent an undefinable number outside of the reach of calculation and therefore representing all numbers that are not calculable meaning that however you define the term it will always be equal to itself and therefore its difference is always going to be zero.

[Awesome_Lensfun1]

infinity is nor a term or number, it is a concept.

[Eerie_Coppernight]

infinity is a term used to represent an undefinable number outside of the reach of calculation

infinity is nor a term or number, it is a concept.

Mathematicians are known to have a fondness for breaking conventional rules just to see what will happen. Here are a couple of videos that I believe will shed light on the subject.
{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKmGVE85GUU}
{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj3_KqkI9Zo}