Yup looks like they are in quite the state...
As a side note can we try to keep this thread cleaner.
If something is posted and it has happened to you like the post or say it happened to you but add some information to the post.
It starts to bloat the thread when 5 people are just replying words to the effect of "that happened to be too"
@Hanna_Brassheart if you restart and all that do they pop up? How recently did you update them?