Bible Reading

[Jones_Elderview]

She has free will but God can use you to witnessed her and she can change her mind.

oh, okay, I will try

[Elizabeth_Newroad]

so I can do nothing, right?

Wrong, you can pray. I prayed for my sister’s salvation for a couple of year, and she got saved...

[Jones_Elderview]

Wrong, you can pray. I prayed for my sister’s salvation for a couple of year, and she got saved...

I am praying, and I have been, but so far nothing has happened accept for my two other sisters becoming atheists, so most of my world has turned against me accept for my cousins and I think one of my brothers, and you guys, thank you

[Creel_Lenslook]

See God does not want to give up on His people and He will do everything in His power to bring you back to Him but He also is a fair judge so He has to condemn you to heck (sorry I do not like saying that word) because He can not allow sin.

[Jones_Elderview]

See God does not want to give up on His people and He will do everything in His power to bring you back to Him but He also is a fair judge so He has to condemn you to heck

okay, that kinda makes sense

(sorry I do not like saying that word)

no problem, I don't either, but I will if I feel it necessary

because He can not allow sin.

one question that will lead to a statement depending on the answer: can God see the future?

[Creel_Lenslook]

I am praying, and I have been, but so far nothing has happened

Just because you haven’t seen anything happen doesn’t mean nothing has happened. There has been a seed planted in her heart and God is slowly trying to make her understand His unconditional Love of you and your sister

accept for my two other sisters becoming atheists, so most of my world has turned against me accept for my cousins and I think one of my brothers, and you guys, thank you

That is sad news but have you asked them why they became atheists? You may be able to share with them why they should turn back to Christianity.

[Creel_Lenslook]

can God see the future?

God is omnipresent meaning he is in the past he’s in the present and he is in the future.

[Creel_Lenslook]

Sfttp He has always been and He will always be.

[Jones_Elderview]

Just because you haven’t seen anything happen doesn’t mean nothing has happened. There has been a seed planted in her heart and God is slowly trying to make her understand His unconditional Love of you and your sister

okay, I hope that is happening

That is sad news but have you asked them why they became atheists?

no, but I can if you would like me to

You may be able to share with them why they should turn back to Christianity.

that makes sense, thanks

God is omnipresent meaning he is in the past he’s in the present and he is in the future.

yea, so. . . when he created the world he was in the future when he saw Adam and Eve eat the fruit, creating sin, so why didn't he do something about it?

Sfttp He has always been and He will always be.

yea

[Creel_Lenslook]

yea, so. . . when he created the world he was in the future when he saw Adam and Eve eat the fruit, creating sin, so why didn't he do something about it?

Because He gave them a choice He gave them free will. He told them the repercussions of their choice and they didn’t listen to Him.

[Hans_Oddcraft]

is it that they cannot be saved, or is it they have nothing to be saved from, do animals sin? and is that why they are 'less than' humans, only in the eyes of a human would they be?

Animals have no eternal soul and therefore they act purely on instinct. They have no true eternal spiritual state. God told us to have dominion over the animals, so yes, they are "less" than us. We must not abuse them, but we may use and eat them.

okay, but if we did know all of His powers, would we fear him? cause we would know all the powers he used and didn't, because there would be some ethical and other less, but what are ethics in the eyes of God?

God is perfect. We must not think of Him as a Care Bear in the sky. God has no limit on His Power, but there are natural limits within the Universe God created that would cause imbalance and destruction if He altered them. God is the most just (ethical) Being in existence. God is all good, but we must understand that He has a perfect balance of love and hate. God is a wrathful God because wrath by itself is not wrong. We can never see the end of God's power as it is infinite.

but I have thought and talked here about if we actually do have free will, and all I got was 'trust in God' but wouldn't that be putting my will into Gods hands, making it not free?

Correct, we have free will to put our will in God's hands and therefore we have free will to rebel against that.

okay, but was it not Jesus's work that got to this point? are you saying he did the work for us? that makes sense

Yes, Jesus is the only One Who could do the work (die) for us. However, Jesus says to send up treasures to Heaven. After salvation there are treasures of the mind and actions that can be sent to heaven when we do them. We don't do this because we have to, but because we believe it is what Jesus would want us to do.

so you are saying without sin we are nothing? then why should God take it away?

We have to die. When we die and stand before the Throne of God Jesus will stand in front of Christians and tell the Father that His death covered our sins. God will not punish us because Jesus took our sin away. He paid our fine.

but when will anyone know when we are ready? cause this wheat sure is taking a long time to grow, and what does it mean to be 'ready' when the whole world is christian? because I really doubt it ever will be, some people are very stubborn, God would need to use the powers he is hiding, so why not use them now?

No, the wheat is just a picture. The wheat will be harvested when God decides it is time. Time is relative and God has a plan. The whole world will never be Christian.

so why can't the end come? what makes the end different from now accept for God actually doing it? and if that is, why not do it now?

When the end comes a process will be kicked off. (You read Revelation) The people on earth who are Christians will be Raptured and given new bodies as will the dead in Christ (removing our sinful nature). Jesus will rule the world for one thousand years as people on the earth continue to live and die. Christians will live with mortals as immortals and Satan will be locked up. Mortals will still sin because they have their sinful nature.
God said the end would come when it is like the days of Noah. The plan God has for the world isn't for us to question, just study, as there is nothing we can do about it except act as Jesus would act. He is our perfect example.

yea, but that is what different religions are, we see something we can't explain, and we think it is a God, that might be what God told us to do, but if we don't fin the exact think he throws us in hell, because that is kinda what Islam and other religions are, I say Islam in specific because looking at their religion I see it so similar to Christianity that I don't see many differences. so why would they get thrown in hell?

Think about it. Islam says you can fly airplanes into your enemy's buildings, treat women like livestock, and beat them. Only certain people Allah likes get into Heaven and you have to work to win his favor. Does that sound like Christianity? God judges the heart and you and I will agree that those are terrible things to do. It is best for us to leave judgement up to God, but never assume anyone is going to Heaven if they aren't following God's laws for salvation (accepting Jesus' gift of Salvation).

[Jones_Elderview]

Because He gave them a choice He gave them free will. He told them the repercussions of their choice and they didn’t listen to Him.

but he knew this was going to happen and he could have changed it, but he didn't, so is it unjust of me to say that by doing that he helped create sin?

[Creel_Lenslook]

He did not help create sin. The devil did that all on his own when he decided he wanted the same power as God

[Jones_Elderview]

Animals have no eternal soul and therefore they act purely on instinct. They have no true eternal spiritual state. God told us to have dominion over the animals, so yes, they are "less" than us. We must not abuse them, but we may use and eat them.

okay

God is perfect. We must not think of Him as a Care Bear in the sky. God has no limit on His Power, but there are natural limits within the Universe God created that would cause imbalance and destruction if He altered them. God is the most just (ethical) Being in existence. God is all good, but we must understand that He has a perfect balance of love and hate. God is a wrathful God because wrath by itself is not wrong. We can never see the end of God's power as it is infinite.

okay

Correct, we have free will to put our will in God's hands and therefore we have free will to rebel against that.

so we have free will. . . not not have free will?

Yes, Jesus is the only One Who could do the work (die) for us. However, Jesus says to send up treasures to Heaven. After salvation there are treasures of the mind and actions that can be sent to heaven when we do them. We don't do this because we have to, but because we believe it is what Jesus would want us to do.

oh, okay

When the end comes a process will be kicked off. (You read Revelation) The people on earth who are Christians will be Raptured and given new bodies as will the dead in Christ (removing our sinful nature). Jesus will rule the world for one thousand years as people on the earth continue to live and die. Christians will live with mortals as immortals and Satan will be locked up. Mortals will still sin because they have their sinful nature. God said the end would come when it is like the days of Noah. The plan God has for the world isn't for us to question, just study, as there is nothing we can do about it except act as Jesus would act. He is our perfect example.

okay, but why can't the end be now? I don't get it, why must we wait?

Think about it. Islam says you can fly airplanes into your enemy's buildings, treat women like livestock, and beat them

no they don't, where in the Qur'an does it say that you can fly airplanes into youur enemy's building? that was coincident that they were Islam, what if I flew an airplane into my enemy's building, would all of you be blamed for it because I am Christian? no, because I was acting against God, as were they

Only certain people Allah likes get into Heaven and you have to work to win his favor.

dude, Allah is just another word for God! what are the differences!? because saying 'picking people he likes' is like saying God only choses people he like, the people Allah like are his followers, just like in christianity

you have to work to win his favor

I have to 'work' to wins God's favor, do I not? I have to bathe myself in holy water, also known as baptism, and stuuff like that, same in Islam, just said in a different way

Does that sound like Christianity

mhm

God judges the heart and you and I will agree that those are terrible things to do.

yea, but not all Islams do it, and a lot of that sounds like Christianity

It is best for us to leave judgement up to God, but never assume anyone is going to Heaven if they aren't following God's laws for salvation

so how can I know I, myself, am going to heaven, I need to know this to see if I need to do more

(accepting Jesus' gift of Salvation).

okay

He did not help create sin. The devil did that all on his own when he decided he wanted the same power as God

but if God created everything, at some point he created the Devil, and doing that he could see the future when he creates sin and becomes his nemesis, so why did he do it?

[Hans_Oddcraft]

so we have free will. . . not not have free will?

It is like you could not work for a boss and have more freedom and no money, or subject yourself to a boss, have less freedom, but more money.

okay, but why can't the end be now? I don't get it, why must we wait?

Because there may be a generation in the future that will need His return more than us. We can't predict God's timing.

no they don't, where in the Qur'an does it say that you can fly airplanes into youur enemy's building? that was coincident that they were Islam, what if I flew an airplane into my enemy's building, would all of you be blamed for it because I am Christian? no, because I was acting against God, as were they

The Quran says that a Muslim can kill anyone who is not a Muslim and they will go to Paradise for it. Those hijackers believed that they would go to Paradise for their actions. There was no coincidence.

dude, Allah is just another word for God! what are the differences!? because saying 'picking people he likes' is like saying God only choses people he like, the people Allah like are his followers, just like in christianity

No, Allah doesn't even allow all his followers into heaven. Allah is a hateful god who doesn't care for his people.

I have to 'work' to wins God's favor, do I not? I have to bathe myself in holy water, also known as baptism, and stuuff like that, same in Islam, just said in a different way

Those things we do are symbolic, not for salvation. Trust in Jesus is what saves us. The thief on the cross beside Jesus repented and was saved with only hours to live. A Muslim would never say the thief could have been saved.

yea, but not all Islams do it, and a lot of that sounds like Christianity

But Muslims do not believe in salvation by grace. A key to Salvation. Even if some are nice people they are not going to Heaven.

so how can I know I, myself, am going to heaven, I need to know this to see if I need to do more

You confess (pray) that you believe that Jesus died for you sins. Nothing else will get you into Heaven, more into Heaven, or less into Heaven.

[Creel_Lenslook]

but if God created everything, at some point he created the Devil, and doing that he could see the future when he creates sin and becomes his nemesis, so why did he do it?

I do not pretend to know the mind of God. But God created him perfect but then he looked thought he could run everything better than God and that was the first sin see God let’s things happen to draw us closer to him.

[Jones_Elderview]

It is like you could not work for a boss and have more freedom and no money, or subject yourself to a boss, have less freedom, but more money.

but I'm not getting money, I just getting maybe a chance to go to heaven

Because there may be a generation in the future that will need His return more than us. We can't predict God's timing.

but they wouldn't need God if he came now, would he leave again? if not why not come now and all the nextt generations have him too

The Quran says that a Muslim can kill anyone who is not a Muslim and they will go to Paradise for it. Those hijackers believed that they would go to Paradise for their actions. There was no coincidence.

yea, but somewhere in Leviticus it says that we can in slave people as long as they aren't in the same tribe of Israel

No, Allah doesn't even allow all his followers into heaven. Allah is a hateful god who doesn't care for his people.

how do you know?

Those things we do are symbolic, not for salvation

than why do we do them? do we really need sybolism?

. Trust in Jesus is what saves us. The thief on the cross beside Jesus repented and was saved with only hours to live

so why don't we all live our lives full of sin, some people take pleasure in, and the repent on our dying breath? not saying we should, but not saying we souldn't

But Muslims do not believe in salvation by grace. A key to Salvation. Even if some are nice people they are not going to Heaven.

well yea, but they are going the their heaven, in their eyes

You confess (pray) that you believe that Jesus died for you sins. Nothing else will get you into Heaven, more into Heaven, or less into Heaven.

thats it?. . . tha why do we have rules like the 10 commandments? because I can be a absolute horrible person but believe and confess that Jesus died to save me and I go to heaven, no?

I do not pretend to know the mind of God. But God created him perfect but then he looked thought he could run everything better than God and that was the first sin see God let’s things happen to draw us closer to him.

but he let the one thing happen that tore us so far from God he literally had to first make a son, then sacrifice him to himself, it seems a bit narcissist's, no?

[Elizabeth_Newroad]

Allah is just another word for God!

No. Just. No.

I have to 'work' to wins God's favor, do I not? I have to bathe myself in holy water, also known as baptism, and stuuff like that, same in Islam, just said in a different way

The bible clearly says that you have to believe that Jesus did the work for you, and that all you have to do is trust in him. Baptism does not get you into heaven, it only declares to everyone that you are a Christian.

but if God created everything, at some point he created the Devil, and doing that he could see the future when he creates sin and becomes his nemesis, so why did he do it?

God created lucifer, who was an angel, to be below him, but lucifer wanted to be higher than God. God wouldn’t let him stay, and threw lucifer out of heaven with a bunch of other angels who disagreed with God. The fallen angels became demons and lucifer became Satan. Satan was and is bent on getting back at God, and the way he is trying to do it is through us.

_{Is this clear enough @Jones_Elderview?}

[Jones_Elderview]

No. Just. No.

what is different?

The bible clearly says that you have to believe that Jesus did the work for you, and that all you have to do is trust in him. Baptism does not get you into heaven, it only declares to everyone that you are a Christian.

oh, okay

God created lucifer, who was an angel, to be below him, but lucifer wanted to be higher than God. God wouldn’t let him stay, and threw lucifer out of heaven with a bunch of other angels who disagreed with God. The fallen angels became demons and lucifer became Satan. Satan was and is bent on getting back at God, and the way he is trying to do it is through us.

okay, so his only purpose was to be lower than God?

Is this clear enough @Jones_Elderview?

kinda

[Elizabeth_Newroad]

so his only purpose was to be lower than God?

All angels are lower than God.

what is different?

Everything. If you read Hans’ posts you will see that...