Additional (Mature Disciple) Bible-Lessons in Game

Eerie_Coppernight 2021-06-12 22:26:54 UTC #24

Tell me where he said that. If you don't know his writings, how do you know what he said or believed?

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 01:36:12 UTC #25

Sftdp something also interesting is that according to CS Lewis he also denied penile atonement which hands had said was admitting that Jesus Christ died on the cross to take place for our sins as a perfect sacrifice well apparently CS Lewis didn't believe that among other things and other Christians say things like to be cautious of his book mayor Christianity because the flaws in it.

For me reading it one of his books like mayor Christianity or any other is very dangerous for my spiritual growth and Faith because I already know the false things that he believed and I could be really impressionable by reading his books like merry Christianity and not be able to see between the lines of what is true and what is fault and I could just automatically believe what he's saying in the book forgetting that he is not the author of life and his book is not the holy scriptures when I read the Holy Bible I don't have to be cautious of being taught anything that is wrong or untrue and a lie.

So I'd say stear away from people like Cs Lewis & get back to God's word & be part of a church that has the Holy Bible as their main source of growth spiritually. I think a church that stays the closest to just reading the Holy Bible and as far as away as they can from Christian author based books are the ones that are the most biblically solid and that haven't let false doctrines and theology leak into their churches. This is just some of the flaws someone wrote about CS Lewis. So yea in my eyes C's Lewis is a fool & people are foolish to look up to CS Lewis instead of the Holy Bible. If I want to know about Christianity and what Christianity is I'm going to read a holy bible I'm not going to read his stupid book called Mere Christianity no I'm going to read the real Holy Bible!

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Piper described six aspects of Lewis’ thought that he finds problematic: (1) he was not an inerrantist; (2) he viewed the Protestant Reformation as avoidable; (3) he remained in the Church of England, despite his largely Protestant beliefs; (4) he allowed for “at least some people to be saved through imperfect representations of Christ in other religions”; (5) he used an “unbiblical case for free will” in order to explain suffering; and (6) he gave little attention to the doctrine of atonement.

“Lewis is not a writer to which we should turn for growth in a careful biblical understanding of Christian doctrine,” Piper said. “There is almost no passage of Scripture on which I would turn to Lewis for exegetical illumination. … His value is not in his biblical exegesis. Lewis is not the kind of writer who provides substance for a pastor’s sermons.”"

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 01:37:19 UTC #26

It's based on research from what other Christians are saying on their websites so CS Lewis must have said somewhere in some of his documents that he believed that there are errors in the Holy Bible and that Adam and give might not be too literal people.

On a side note I want to apologize for calling CS Lewis a false teacher because although there are things that I believe he said that are definitely like his belief in evolution etc I spoke to another Christian from one of my churches and he told me this in his email and I would like to share it.

because there is some major flaws in some of cs Lewis's books I would not feel comfortable reading his books and as I already stated between my spiritual walk between me and God I have decided what's best for me is to only read a holy bible for my spiritual growth it doesn't matter what study Bible version it is but it has to be a holy bible I am not comfortable reading Christian author base books and I don't want them in my spiritual life if other Christians are called to read Christian author base books then that is fine for them but for my personal walk with god I've decided that I don't want that in my life if my future husband decides that he wants to read some Christians I can't stop him but for me personally I don't want to read them.

Anyways this is what the guy said & he makes sense, sorry for calling CS Lewis a false teacher he was definitely false about some things but he still may be a Christian.

Something that I will ask you to do is to be careful with the label “false teacher”. I believe that in general it needs to be reserved for those who depart from the essential truths of salvation and the nature of God. For example, God is a triune being of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Son is both fully God and fully man. That all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That we are justified by faith alone in the substitutionary death of Jesus alone. There are other doctrines that are important because the word of God is important but they are not matters of salvation.

Many times, God reveals himself to individuals in a way that they are gloriously saved but that does not mean that all that they believe has to be 100% correct. Here are a couple of examples.

Martin Luther is credited as the one who rediscovered the truth of justification by faith. He is the one who largely began the Protestant movement as he and many others realized that salvation was through faith in the work of Christ and not the institution of the Roman Catholic Church. I have no doubts as to the genuine of his salvation. But - he still held to some doctrines that I would not agree to. Does that mean that one of us is not a real Christian? No it doesn’t. It means that God reveals Himself over time.

C.S Lewis was originally an atheist who became one of the most respected defenders of the Christian faith. I don’t know what denominational group he associated himself with (likely the Church of England) but there are likely things that he held to that I wouldn’t agree to. Would those things be essential to salvation. I don’t believe they were. Things like how church is to meet are important but they are secondary to the doctrines of salvation.

Another example can be found in the notes of the Scofield bible. Scofield explains that there is a gap of time in between the first few verses of Genesis. The purpose of this is to allow for the time required for evolution. Do I believe that he was in error. YES! Do I think that it affects his salvation? NO!

So, in using the label of false teacher we need to be careful to reserve it for those who teach doctrines that go against the essentials of salvation. Other doctrines remain important and we should strive to understand and teach them properly but not cut other believers off just because they don’t agree with us.

If we allow things to go to their natural extremes, we could end up cutting off anyone who doesn’t agree with us. Who is to say that we might not be the one who is wrong on something? We need to exhort all to rightly divide the word of God but also to be humble to accept that we are learners as well.

Eerie_Coppernight 2021-06-13 01:53:21 UTC #27

So, rather than find out for yourself what someone is saying, you will believe what other people say about him. Did this person tell you that Lewis wasn't Catholic but Anglican?

What if a person told you that your friend said something extremely un-Christian. Would you believe that gossiper or go to your friend yourself?

Your spiritual walk is between you and God. That is true. Still, how do you know God calls you to anything? Do you meditate daily to find out what He wants you to do?

You seem to only value one Christian opinion that doesn't come from the Bible and that is Superbook. Have you ever considered that other Christian opinions might be equally beneficial? Have you considered that anyone's opinion might be beneficial?

You speak these words, but do not live by them. You have not gone so far as to cut off anyone who disagrees with you, but you do behave very unkindly towards them. I know you're trying to stand up for the truth, but you should be able to understand when the truth needs defending.

Your spiritual walk is between you and God, but where in the Bible has God said that Christians should walk alone? Since Christ sent out the disciples, Christians have needed and benefited from other Christians, whether that is writing, teaching, or mere fellowship.

I know you're trying to find a church, but here is something to try. Instead of looking for a church that accommodates your disabilities, look for one that teaches God's Truth. If you are open to learning, you will benefit from that church.

Take it from a fellow autistic person, you are much more than your disabilities.

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Sierepica_Fuzzywalker 2021-06-13 06:07:44 UTC #28

@Miss_E3, please do not believe everything you read on the Internet. Anyone on the Internet (Christian or not) can write anything about anyone else. This includes C.S. Lewis. It's actually the fashion these days to fiercely criticize people online, especially those who are dead and can't fight back to defend their reputations.

Some of it has merit and some of it does not. The people criticizing Lewis are just as likely to be false teachers as he is; therefore, labeling folks as that does nothing in this crazy online jungle we live in.

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 14:27:44 UTC #29

In this case what the people said about CS Lewis is true and you can look at the documents from CS Lewis that those are what he actually believed and I know that CS Lewis is false in those things I'm not going to stand up for CS Lewis just because a lot of Christians look up to his works.

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 14:32:08 UTC #30

Sorry for the double post but if I was looking for a church that is close to Holy scriptures. I wouldn't go to a church that always wants to try to tell me to read Christian author based books like CS Lewis you're standing up for CS Lewis when you yourself have never done research online to see what he actually believes.
it is actually true that even though he wasn't a Catholic he stood up for the belief in evolution and he thinks that there are errors in the Holy scriptures and he thinks that I'm an eve may not have been too literal people those are things he has actually believed if the other Christians are saying what's true it's true why do you want to call CS Lewis a true teacher when you don't even know anything about what he actually believes except for his books you have to do research yourself I know that people make things up online but in this case I know they're right. CS Lewis teaches a lot of things that are false and the fact that he was friends with JR Tolkien that Catholic makes me not comfortable to listen to his works also yes I know he is a Orthodox but I don't support the Orthodox in many beliefs because that's really about cultural traditions instead of what the Holy Bible says.

Before automatically standing up for everything that CS Lewis teaches maybe you should do the research online yourself you can find out that it is true that there is many things that he believed that we're very false I don't follow the crowd just because a bunch of other Christians are reading a certain book or looking up to a certain teacher it's important to do research to find out what they actually believe behind the curtains.

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 14:32:43 UTC #31

There is a difference between staying away from false teachers and people who are teaching you something that is very false and maybe a false religion like the Roman Catholics. I don't think that I'm right on everything and I do stay near some Christians that I believe are real Christians that believe major doctrines but if a Christian teacher believes an evolution I'm sorry I'm not going to listen to a single word he says especially if it's a teacher. maybe I would talk to him if he was in church but just as member, butI would never listen to a teacher who believes in evolution like CS Lewis because that's too far off out of line in scriptures for me I'm not going to listen to a teacher who thinks that the Holy Bible isn't 100% true and perfect.

it's important not just to believe everything ppl say because unfortunately whether you like to believe it or not there is such thing as false teachers out there and there is such thing as false " Christian" denomination religions and fake Christians out there and people have to be aware of them we cannot just join in fellowship with everybody who claims to be a Christian and just accept every single doctrine and belief that a church is teaching because that would be like following blind guides and we have to be careful of that I know that there is real Christians out there and I know we have a little bit of differences but if it's a major difference then I am not going to be communicating with them and that's how it should be we're not just supposed to go and believe every teacher like Joyce Meyer or Joel Osteen or any other preacher that is teaching a different gospel message than what the Holy Bible says.

Miss_E3 2021-06-13 14:34:56 UTC #32

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I'm going to try to say this in a way that sounds less offensive I'm sorry that the way I sounded might have sounded like an attack I just wanted you to know first of all I am not attacking eerie in any way I am bringing up the false teachings that see us Lewis believed and I have to admit that I just found this information out and I myself was upset because me and other children in my childhood Church grew up reading his books and that's why I emailed the man and told him that I was upset that they let us read these books and they didn't take the time to look at what CS Lewis actually believed because nobody in my church would believe that a Christian could come and tell us that evolution is real and to worship pagan gods but because it's CS Lewis and because he has books it's okay for him?

I know that eerie does not believe in evolution and I know that you believe that the Holy Bible is 100% true and I know that you believe that Adam and Eve are too literal people but CS Lewis didn't believe that and I'm going to post some quotes below from his actual books that are written from CS Lewis himself that you can see that there is some very big ears in some of CS Lewis teachings and I just thought that it would be nice for other Christians to be aware of that and no like myself so next time you read Christian author based you can be more cautious to believe everything that you're going to read.

I also realized that I don't feel like I'm in the right place to say who's a false teacher or not because I'm just a woman but I believe that there is godly Christian male pastors out there somewhere who may have more authority and right and knowledge than you to say who truly is a false teacher or not so I decided that I'll leave it up to them to point it out I don't know if Christian denominations are fake Christians if they deny the Trinity or not but I'm sure that other godly Christian preachers would have more knowledge to say if they are true Christians or not and I don't know if someone can be a Christian and believe in evolution and think that the Bible isn't completely true I don't know because if a man was alive today and told you that he didn't believe that the Holy Bible was 100% God's word and that some of it had errors in it you would not agree with that but because CS Lewis is dead apparently it's okay that's what I think Christians have to be careful of I'm just saying that in this day and age there is a serious problem growing in the churches and it's because people are turning more away from the Holy Bible & more towards Christian Arthur based books and Christian self-help books and Christian wealth books and you go into a Christian's house today and you see about 200 Christian author-based books on their self and that makes you think at first that they must be really godly Christians but you forget that maybe their Holy Bible is just sitting there and hasn't been red in decades that's what I'm scared about and upset that is happening within the churches is that we are starting to turn more to the Christian author-base books and less from the holy scriptures I think it's fine if Christians want to read Christian author that the Holy Bible has to continue being read and that that is an authority not the Christian author based books.

I also realize that Erie and other Christians on this platform may have never actually done the research to see what CS Lewis actually believes himself and maybe you feel a little bit shocked because you were always defending him without knowing that these are actually his beliefs he may or may not be a real Christian but I definitely do not agree with some of his teachings and it makes me uncomfortable and upset that so many Christians readily accepted his teachings because I know if he was alive today none of you would accept a Christian saying that evolution is true you all admitted that you don't believe in evolution so why is it okay for CS Lewis to believe in it yet still be seen as some highly wise Christian?

Maybe it's just because everybody likes Narnia I have to admit that that was a good movie but you know what it might have not even led kids to Christ it might have led kids more to start worshiping Aslan that the lion, the fictional lion instead of actually worshiping Jesus Christ. There's even some teachings in Narnia that I feel uncomfortable with but there's nothing no teachings in the Holy Bible I feel uncomfortable with because I know that God is telling me the truth and the Holy Bible and if I'm listening to something in the Holy Bible that makes me feel uncomfortable it's just because of my pride or sinfulness that doesn't want to let go of sin and God wants me to let go of them and I might feel uncomfortable because the Holy Bible humbles me and shows me what is wrong in my life but it won't make me feel uncomfortable thinking maybe I'm being taught a lie.

Anyways here is just some of the false teachings that CS Lewis has written himself in some of his books.

“I have the deepest respect for Pagan myths, still more for myths in the Holy Scriptures.” (The Problem of Pain – page 71)
“I have therefore no difficulty accepting, say, the view of those scholars who tell us that the account of Creation in Genesis is derived from earlier Semitic stories which were pagan and mythical.” (Reflections on the Psalms – page 110)
“I had some ado to prevent Joy and myself from relapsing into Paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong – would have only been addressing Christ sub specie Apollinis.” (C S Lewis: A Biography – page 276)
“There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it. For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position.” (Mere Christianity – page 162) – Source for above

Eerie_Coppernight 2021-06-13 18:49:57 UTC #33

Please stop saying Lewis was Catholic. He was Anglican which is a completely different church. Just because his close friend was Catholic doesn't mean that he was.

Spector_Otterquill 2021-06-13 19:38:22 UTC #34

*Reads Harry Potter

You could have left out the word stupid.

You literally just misused it and now are asking us to be careful with it?

So is it wrong to make "unbeliever" friends?

Or just read his books and research for yourself.

Well I haven't read my bible in over a year, I just use my phone app.

Have you done the research?

And the bible might lead people to worship the Virgin Mary.

No Offense was meant by this post I am only trying to point out things that I think aren't reasonable.

Hans_Oddcraft 2021-06-13 19:55:56 UTC #35

@Miss_E3, while I am not going to take a stance on C.S. Lewis I would like to point out that your entire argument, except for the excerpts at the end, is screaming ad hominem. C.S.Lewis should not be taken as a source of doctrine, but his teachings on Christian logic are where his value shines. Therefore his books can make excellent study material as long as we take it with a pinch of salt. Your whole discrediting of C.S. Lewis may not be unjustified, but the way you are approaching it is fallacious. At best you could present your disdain for his works as an opinion and divorce it from his personal beliefs, criticizing that separately. While comparisons can be drawn, doing so to the extent you have is illogical, especially since you haven't done an objective study of all his works as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong.

Sierepica_Fuzzywalker 2021-06-14 01:34:28 UTC #36

Miss_E3:

“I have the deepest respect for Pagan myths, still more for myths in the Holy Scriptures.” (The Problem of Pain – page 71)

“I have therefore no difficulty accepting, say, the view of those scholars who tell us that the account of Creation in Genesis is derived from earlier Semitic stories which were pagan and mythical.” (Reflections on the Psalms – page 110)

“I had some ado to prevent Joy and myself from relapsing into Paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn’t feel it would have been very wrong – would have only been addressing Christ sub specie Apollinis.” (C S Lewis: A Biography – page 276)

“There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it. For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position.” (Mere Christianity – page 162) – Source for above

Since C.S. Lewis is a deep scholar and highly proficient in the art of rhetoric, I would actually need context for these quotes to be able to follow his arguments. Many skilled rhetoric practitioners speak in terms of fictional characters and hypotheticals, cloaking what they believe in elaborate trains of thought.

Second, the last two quotes are not strictly fallacious. The first of the last two describes how Lewis felt on a journey, not necessarily that he believed that feeling was true. Since Christians of this age have to live in mortal bodies, they may feel things that aren’t true all the time. In fact, I have reasons to believe that the believing things that aren’t true is more common.

The last quote may be true - God can elect people from anywhere. Note eventually that pagans who are led to do as in the quote will eventually be led to saving faith in Jesus Christ openly. There is no salvation in paganism, but there are things in some pagan and secular books that do agree with Christian teachings.

This is what I like to call divine plagiarism. The person spouts a piece of Christian truth without citing God or giving credit to Him, and they will instead claim to have “discovered” it and claim all credit for it themselves. (Simon Sinek is a notoriously awful example of this - he advocates a biblical model of leadership without giving credit to Jesus who invented it.)

The only way to tell whether something is true is to rely on God’s word. In this age, a secular work may be full of divine plagiarism and a work with Christian on the cover may be full of absolute lies.

Anyway, the first two quotes do seem to be wrong on a face-value basis. I have not read the entirety of Dr. Lewis’ works, and would thus need the context to make a full value judgment.

Eerie_Coppernight 2021-06-14 01:52:07 UTC #37

I can easily explain the first.

Lewis was a scholar, even before he was a Christian. In fact, part of what led him to Christianity was his scholarly study of the mythology of other cultures. He found everywhere motifs that were eerily similar to Christianity. Particularly the myth of the dying god that is found in religions around the world.

Lewis said to consider the whole of history like a story. A lot of people can look at it in that way. Christianity comes along, gives you the Bible, and tells you that this is a piece of that story, and the most important piece of all. Well, a good scholar would look at the Bible in the context of history then look at history in the context of the Bible. With this central piece, he would see how all of anthropology, all the myths about dying gods, would fit together. They were preparing those people, in God's subtle way, to receive the Gospel of Christ.

Lewis saw the Bible as the myth that had become fact, the missing piece that explained all of human history.

As for the second quote, I explained that too. Everyone had their own creation myth, including the Semantics, until God came along and set them right.